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Posted on 9/2/11 at 9:48 am to bubbaprohn
quote:
I would gladly take '08 numbers
The '08 numbers were pretty shitty. As shown time after time on here, we racked up yards and points while we were being blown out.
When you isolate offensive production when the score was within 14 points, it mirrors our 2009 and 2010 seasons.
DISCLAIMER: For people like Cpt. Bengal and his ilk, this is not a slight at Lee. It's actually a direct insult to Gary Crowton. I loathe him.
Go Lee.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 10:24 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:You haven't been reading. Your problem lies with OC Crowton. Jefferon was excited that with new OC Kragthorpe, that LSU was going to attack more.
Jefferson's style of play is just not fun to watch. I think we'll attack more now with Lee
LSU will certainly attack more this season. But that will be because of the change in OC, not the change in QB.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 10:27 am to bubbaprohn
quote:Would you take '08 numbers over '09 numbers?
Puke all you want. I would gladly take '08 numbers (minus the picks, should have thrown that in there) over what we had last year.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 10:37 am to Roaad
quote:
Glad to see people are still kicking Jefferson while he is down.
...
You were trying to be funny, right?
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:01 am to mmcgrath
I have no interest in dying with Lee.
I don't want to die with any QB.
Only blind loyalty or pure stupidity would cause one to want to die with a QB.
I don't want to die with any QB.
Only blind loyalty or pure stupidity would cause one to want to die with a QB.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:13 am to bubbaprohn
quote:You take 8-5 minus the picks, and I'll take 11-2.
I would gladly take '08 numbers
Those are the #s that matter and rest is BS.
If you really want to get into the #s, the '08 team had a "whopping" 1.2ppg margin over '10. Of course that's not subtracting the 7 TDs gifted to other teams which would actually put '08 team behind '10 by a couple ppg.
This is besides the afore mentioned playing from behind effect pointed out by A. Moss.
Just facts.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:21 am to Mayhawman
quote:
You take 8-5 minus the picks, and I'll take 11-2.
Those are the #s that matter and rest is BS.
If you really want to get into the #s, the '08 team had a "whopping" 1.2ppg margin over '10. Of course that's not subtracting the 7 TDs gifted to other teams which would actually put '08 team behind '10 by a couple ppg.
This is besides the afore mentioned playing from behind effect pointed out by A. Moss.
Just facts
We were 8-5 in 2009 too, with jefferson. The reason we were 11-2 last year has more to do with defensive stats than offense. And of course JJ's best game as a tiger is a 10-19 outing for 158 yds and 3 TD's against aTm. It's not like JLee can't put up those kinds of number minus the INT's. And you forget how JLee bailed us out at tennessee, alabama, and florida last year. JJ wasn't exactly exponentially better than JLee, and without those pick 6's JLee is by far a better passing QB.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:25 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:Stopped reading.
We were 8-5 in 2009 too, with jefferson.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:28 am to AlaTiger
This thread is full on retard
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:28 am to just me
quote:
Would you take '08 numbers over '09 numbers?
Minuse the pick's you bet your arse I would. Let me show you:
2008
PPG: 30.9
Rushing YPG: 166.8 Total Rushing Yards: 2168
Passing YPG: 201.3 Total Passing Yards: 2617
Passing TD: 21
2009
PPG: 24.8
Rushing YPG: 122.8 Total Rushing Yards: 1596
Passing YPG: 181.8 Total Passing Yards: 2363
Passing TD: 19
The noticeable difference is the rushing stats, which is attributed to the oline. Not a big difference but, yes, I would take 08 numbers over 09.
This also goes to show that losing JJ won't hamper the run game as much as some people claim.
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:48 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:The hell you say?
We were 8-5 in 2009 too,
quote:Yes, the D scored all the points. Like I said take away the points given off ints and '08 had less ppg than '10.
The reason we were 11-2 last year has more to do with defensive stats than offense.
quote:No I didn't forget. It's not about Lee, it's about the #s you said you'd rather have.
And you forget how JLee bailed us out at tennessee, alabama, and florida last year.
quote:Never said this either
JJ wasn't exactly exponentially better than JLee,
quote:Lee is likely a better pure passer, regardless of pics.
and without those pick 6's JLee is by far a better passing QB.
Go knock 'em dead General Lee!
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:49 am to AlaTiger
Agreed. Having to defend against the threat of a pass greater than 20 yards should open things up some.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:51 am to bubbaprohn
quote:In a thread about dying with Lee over living with Jefferson, the more relevant comparison:quote:Minuse the pick's you bet your arse I would....
Would you take '08 numbers over '09 numbers?
The noticeable difference is the rushing stats, which is attributed to the oline. Not a big difference but, yes, I would take 08 numbers over 09.
This also goes to show that losing JJ won't hamper the run game as much as some people claim.
Interceptions -- Jefferson 2009 better
Jefferson 2009: 7 -- Lee 2008: 16
Completion percentage -- Jefferson 2009 better
Jefferson 2009: 61.5 -- Lee 2008: 53.2
Passer Rating -- Jefferson 2009 better
Jefferson 2009: 137.2 -- Lee 2008: 115.7
And I'm sure you realize that LSU ran better in 2010 with Jefferson rather than Lee even though Lee didn't face redzone running plays.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:56 am to just me
quote:
In a thread about dying with Lee over living with Jefferson, the more relevant comparison:
I in no way said I would rather die with one then live with the other, I simply stated my thoughts about what the offense could be capable of if Lee plays like I think he will. I just didn't feel like starting yet another JLee thread.
quote:
And I'm sure you realize that LSU ran better in 2010 with Jefferson rather than Lee even though Lee didn't face redzone running plays
Although true, not a fair argument considering the majority of the time Lee came in (which was very limited) LSU was having to throw the ball.
Look at the passing stats from 08 and 10. If we can keep the rushing stats the same from last year and get over 200 ypg passing from Lee, our offense will be very much improved.
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 11:59 am
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:00 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
I realized that Jefferson was who he was and while he has great physical ability, he cannot drive a team down the field consistently, even against the likes of McNeese St.
I want to agree with you. I really do.
But will one of you kindly explain the following stats to me:
quote:
LSU Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
J. Jefferson 4/10 51 5.1 0 0
J. Lee 4/12 44 3.7 0 0
Team 8/22 95 4.3 0 0
The stats above are from November 13, 2010. Not even a full year ago and both QBs were beyond awful.
I'm not sold on either JJ or JL. Never have been. It's a choice between shitty and shittier. We spend all our time on here arguing who is the lesser of two evils but the reality is they both suck. But they are all we have until the next QB crop is ready.
quote:
Even if he screws up, I just want to see a passing game break 200 yards consistently. Lee can and will do that.
I'll believe that shite when I see it. I hope JL proves me wrong but I wouldn't bet one red cent on it.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:00 pm to just me
quote:
In a thread about dying with Lee over living with Jefferson, the more relevant comparison:
I think it can be summed up like this.
JJ can give you anywhere from a 4-7 on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best and 1 being the worst. JL can give you anywhere from a 1-10. JJ's biggest asset was his relative consistency as compared to JL. JL's biggest asset is his upside compared to JJ, but he can also have a disastrous game.
I ask myself this question:
If I could not watch the game and had no clue who played, but I heard the QB for LSU was 23-35 for 365 yards and 3 TDs, who would I assume was playing QB for LSU?
The answer is JL.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:01 pm to bubbaprohn
quote:
The noticeable difference is the rushing stats, which is attributed to the oline.
What ever point you're trying to make, you didn't help it by comparing the 2 OLs.
2009 sucked arse run and pass blocking, where '08 still had a couple starters from NC winning group.
quote:It doesn't show me shite, but I pray your right.
This also goes to show that losing JJ won't hamper the run game as much as some people claim.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:05 pm to slackster
quote:
but I heard the QB for LSU was 23-35 for 365 yards and 3 TDs, who would I assume was playing QB for LSU?
Jamarcus Russell.
Because neither Lee or Jefferson have come close to those types of numbers.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:08 pm to Mayhawman
jl is likely a better passer is a reasonable assumption, but being a better passer doesn't make him a better qb. he cannot elude pressure, he cannot run for a first down, he does not protect the ball, confidence of teammates.
I agree he is likely a better passer but thats where it all ends.
I agree he is likely a better passer but thats where it all ends.
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