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re: I Would Rather Live/Die With Lee Than Go Through Another Jefferson Season

Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:55 pm to
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You're a funny little boy, aren't you.


ad hominem now....well done, you've lost before we even get started.

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A QBs primary goal is help his team win the game.


agreed, and as you also stated, he is but one cog in the machine of the team. As all he can control is his performance, and as QB on the offense, total yds gained is a direct result fo the ball in his hands....2008 was a FAR SUPERIOR year for QB play than any year since.

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Year Wins
2010 11
2009 9
2008 8


are you really so intellectually bankrupt to claim all 11 wins are the result of JJ's "help"



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Thanks for allowing me this teachable moment. I hope you were paying attention.



back at ya champ!

ETA: You may think you're intelligent trying to shift the argument from yardage to wins because of your failure in constructing an argument from a limited point of view. While it wasn't as myopic as the first poster you responded to, it was still pathetic.

The shift still doesn't help your point, as several games required JL's help to win last year. Again, thanks for playing.

Oh and anytime you want to get back to me on those definitions.....
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:00 pm to
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2008 was a FAR SUPERIOR year for QB play than any year since.


2009 >>>>>> 2008. No o-line and no run game drove our offensive rankings down. JJ threw for more yards, had a higher comp %, had more TDs, fewer interceptions, no pick 6s, was 2nd in red zone efficiency, and a much higher QB rating than Lee in 08. This is absolutely not debatable.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:06 pm to
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Year/Rushing/Passing/TotalYDS
2010/2438/2023/4461
2009/1596/2363/3959
2008/2168/2617/4785


We beat up on some OOC pansies in 08. In SEC games our offense was slightly better last year than in 08.

2008 conference games:

363.4 ypg
25.9 ppg

2010 conferece games:

364.4 ypg
26.5 ppg

We also turned the ball over more and allowed more sacks in 2008.
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 2:07 pm
Posted by just me
Front of the Class: Schooling You
Member since Mar 2006
34489 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:07 pm to
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are you really so intellectually bankrupt to claim all 11 wins are the result of JJ's "help"
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back at ya champ!
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You may think you're intelligent trying to shift the argument from yardage to wins because of your failure in constructing an argument from a limited point of view. While it wasn't as myopic as the first poster you responded to, it was still pathetic.
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Again, thanks for playing.
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Oh and anytime you want to get back to me on those definitions.....
You're a funny little boy, aren't you.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:11 pm to
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just me


only ad hominem this time....

pathetic dude, just fricking pathetic.
Posted by just me
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:13 pm to
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only ad hominem this time....

pathetic dude, just fricking pathetic.
Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:14 pm to
I agree. It was the most horrible 11 win season to watch in my life. Literally.

I still dont understand how we won 11 games with the horrible QB play, we had. It was one of the worst I have seen in 41 yrs.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:15 pm to
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We beat up on some OOC pansies in 08. In SEC games our offense was slightly better last year than in 08.

2008 conference games:

363.4 ypg
25.9 ppg

2010 conferece games:

364.4 ypg
26.5 ppg

We also turned the ball over more and allowed more sacks in 2008.


This can't be true, because Jefferson can't move the ball. Only Lee can.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:15 pm to
I'm voting you two best TD couple
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
2841 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:21 pm to
Well here is his game by game stats. Based on his stats and watching him perform I see him contributing in the manner you would expect a competent qb in only 4 of the 11 wins. UNC, Alabama,Ole Miss and A&M. The Miss St game was poor to watch but his stats were better than most of the rest of his games but not what you call a good game for a top notch qb.

I would think you would expect to get a positive contribution from your starting qb in more than 4 of your 11 wins.

LINK
Posted by just me
Front of the Class: Schooling You
Member since Mar 2006
34489 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 2:32 pm to
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I'm voting you two best TD couple
It would break my heart if he quit posting.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10086 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 3:44 pm to
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I would think you would expect to get a positive contribution from your starting qb in more than 4 of your 11 wins.
I know this is about Lee, but you don't have to beat one QB down to raise up another, especially with falsehoods.
In 2010, JJ offered more yards per play than JL. 5.6 vs 5.3.
In Lee's best performance vs UF, JJ had still had more Total O than Lee.
In JJ's rant-certified worst outing vs UTk, JJ stil contributed about 30% of the Total O, around 130yds.
I'm not sure where you get this positive contribution thing.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
2841 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 6:16 pm to
Well actually though JJ had several very bad games if you are going to pick one as the worst I dont see how you cant pick the McNeese game? I mean 4 yards of total offense? That is four -- 4!
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 9/2/11 at 7:38 pm to
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just me



Pretty disappointing that you can't have an intelligent adult conversation without trying to make petty, sarcastic remarks in every single debate you participate in. Antonio Moss is raising good points and seems to be doing just fine without the condescending nonsense. Remember, we are merely discussing college football here.

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Thank you. There are two ways to gain yards. Peope often ignore the rushing aspect of a QB. Those people lack perspective. You know what perspective is, right?



How narrow-minded of you. Jefferson is a below-average passer and a slightly above-average rusher. You conveniently left out my comment about Reggie Ball being similar. Ball left Georgia Tech as the second most successful rushing QB in school history. Did that make him a good quarterback? No.

As I alluded to earlier, I do not intend to completely discredit Jefferson's abilities as a rushing quarterback. His ability to move the chains by escaping the pocket and picking up the necessary yards on 3rd and long is an appreciable asset to his skill set.

Lee seemed to have better vision as a passer and was able to do a better job of making his reads in the pocket after the snap. Jefferson definitely improved on this aspect as he gained experience as the leader of the offense in 2010, but Lee still had the edge as a passer. When he was needed in 2010, this was apparent in several of the crucial drives he had to lead.
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 7:42 pm
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 9/6/11 at 11:31 pm to
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Even if he screws up, I just want to see a passing game break 200 yards consistently. Lee can and will do that.


10/22 for 98 yards.

Just when does this "200 yards consistently" streak begin?

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