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re: I Just Want to Make a Couple of Things Clear
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:03 pm to brewhan davey
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:03 pm to brewhan davey
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Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:05 pm to brewhan davey
FWIW, both articles ran the same day here in BR. But the first one had a major headline & was on page one of the sports page. The second one, his arguments for LSU staying, had a lot smaller headline and was on page 2 & took up a lot less room. I imagine his editors are loving the mess this has caused, but he definitely made LSU look like whiney tittybabies.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:07 pm to brewhan davey
In my mind this has nothing to do with Alabama; it has to do with what is fair to all parties involved. There is no reason to continue the traditional opponent crap. Alabama does not get off easy by Tennessee who happens to be down right now. LSU and Florida are both in tough playing each other. Likewise for Georgia and Auburn. The problem lies with Ole Miss, Miss. State, Kentucky, and Vandy having "easier" traditional opponents. The jury is out on A&M and Missouri. Every team should play the teams in their division and two from the other division on a rotating basis. If Bama and Tenn and Georgia and Auburn want to maintain these games on a yearly basis then they simply will not count as SEC games when they are "out of the regular rotation." This seems quite easy to do and should be done. LSU should not leave the SEC.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:14 pm to Keltic Tiger
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FWIW, both articles ran the same day here in BR. But the first one had a major headline & was on page one of the sports page.
I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for clearing that up.
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But the first one had a major headline & was on page one of the sports page. The second one, his arguments for LSU staying, had a lot smaller headline and was on page 2 & took up a lot less room.
Definite troll job by the Advocate.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:16 pm to brewhan davey
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Would you please just post a daily blog. Excellent post, as usual.
Wow.. what a compliment. I appreciate it man. I have stayed away from the rant lately due to the utter insanity of the posts concerning the Chik-Fil-A Bowl bid, the obsession with Alabama/Nick Saban and the witch-hunt theories, but I'll be making a comeback slowly and steadily.
You made the point of why I am anxious to see what you write. I grow tired of "if our players are thinking like our fans" (they aren't) or other brilliant observations.
Post more.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:17 pm to bearhc
I agree with what you are saying. The "locked" rivalries between LSU and Florida, Alabama and Tennessee, and Georgia and Auburn have provided for some great games the past 20 years, but the other "locked" rivalries are terrible.
If the locked rivalries are removed, I think this can have a positive effect on the league, with respect to the rivalries still - in that, the anticipation and build up of these games will be years in the making, thus drawing a bigger event.
If the locked rivalries are removed, I think this can have a positive effect on the league, with respect to the rivalries still - in that, the anticipation and build up of these games will be years in the making, thus drawing a bigger event.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:17 pm to NorthTiger
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:39 pm to Keltic Tiger
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FWIW, both articles ran the same day here in BR. But the first one had a major headline & was on page one of the sports page. The second one, his arguments for LSU staying, had a lot smaller headline and was on page 2 & took up a lot less room. I imagine his editors are loving the mess this has caused, but he definitely made LSU look like whiney tittybabies.
Thanks for clarifying.
Damn you trolling editors...
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:39 pm to LSUDonMCO
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I agree that LSU is not leaving the SEC but if more attention is placed on this by legitimate sources then people will stop thinking its LSU paranoia and whinnning. Maybe just Maybe the SEc will stop intentionally screwing LSUl.
I enjoyed the article on leaving the SEC but did not take it seriously. I thought that some of this stuff coming out in the newspaper might rattle some cage doors in Birmingham for a change. Maybe if some of the other teams would line up with LSU at the league meetings we could take care of some of this shite...
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:49 pm to bearhc
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If Bama and Tenn and Georgia and Auburn want to maintain these games on a yearly basis then they simply will not count as SEC games when they are "out of the regular rotation."
I've got a crazy idea...
Let Bama/UT/UGA/Auburn keep their game. The game will still count.
Here's the catch:
By having a permanent cross division rivalry, their cross division rotation will NOT include the team from the opposite division with the worst conference record over the previous five seasons (at the time the schedule is made).
For example, the teams with the worst record (from 2007-2011) in each division are Vanderbilt and Ole Miss (pretty sure Ole Miss and Vandy had the worst overall records but too lazy to see if they were worst in conference for the 5 year span).
Were my rule in effect for 2013, then Bama and Auburn would not be eligible to play Vanderbilt. Georgia and Tennessee would not be eligible to play Ole Miss. Therefore, it would be more likely (though never a guarantee) that the rest of us would get one of those bottom feeders as one of our cross divisional games in any given year. A reward for choosing the fully rotating cross division format but an easy opt out for those teams who value their traditional rivalry.
Call it the traditional rivalry game penalty. A very small price to pay to keep your traditional rivalry game, no?
Whaddya think?
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:52 pm to brewhan davey
Great post Brewhan 
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:09 pm to brewhan davey
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LSU is a founding SEC member, and has too big of a following to abruptly leave its roots
I think you make a great and obvious argument and don't think we have to leave the SEC, but when I start hearing about roots, history, and tradition, I just want to throw my hands up in the air. The goal should be to create match ups and schedules that are relevant and equitable to the country as a whole. The rest of the country may envy the SEC, but this is because inequities have been created, and there is little transparency into how the conferences operate, especially the SEC. If in a given season you don't play all the teams in your conference then what is the point. The SEC has been great when being innovative, ie the Championship Game, but stupid with promoting or allowing ideas of traditional rivalries, and developing these ridiculous bowl relationships.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:24 pm to OleWar
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The goal should be to create match ups and schedules that are relevant and equitable to the country as a whole. The rest of the country may envy the SEC, but this is because inequities have been created, and there is little transparency into how the conferences operate, especially the SEC.
So do you support the theory of secession because of this inequity? Would you rather a couple decent teams in each conference with shite teams residually making up the rest?
Sure, being in a conference with so many great teams can prove to be a disadvantage because we have to play several highly ranked opponents each year, but IMO, it's more of a positive than a negative.
Look how many top recruits want to play for SEC schools - we are always in the hunt for the top HS prospects in the country, because we are in the SEC. Look at what it's done for A&M..after moving to the SEC and achieving success, they now have a leg up on recruiting the state of Texas..which given a few more years of success, may prove to be deadly.
Additionally, because we are a member of the conference that has come to be known as "elite" in comparison to the rest of the country, we are given the opportunity to play in epic battles year in and year out.
Sure, recently, we've been given a shite hand - the unprecedented rematch handed to Alabama last season, the alleged actions by Silve to purposely keep us out of the Cotton Bowl (which I am very skeptic of), and even the "scheduling imbalance" claimed by so many. But, if you think that this team is better off NOT being a part of the SEC so we can have an easier route to the MNC, that is where we disagree, my friend.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:33 pm to brewhan davey
I want to make a few things clear too. A lot of LSU fans don't know our place and we are tired of being treated like freaking red headed step children and getting screwed at each and every chance, when we are not carrying the SEC banner we get screwed. It is that freaking simple and the evidence is all over the rant. I know some are just happy to be here, and will say all we have to do is beat Bama, and that is true, when they cant screw us we are fine. But others have a problem with a Bama boy who grew up in Tuscaloosa and used to work for Saban drawing up our schedule, just like fans at Ohio State would be if a Michigan guy did there schedule. The amount of control Alabama has over the SEC is unique in all of he FBS except for Texas and look how that played out.
Btw, to prove my point, as we all get ready to go to the bowl for the 7th place SEC team, maybe you should have waited a few weeks.
Btw, to prove my point, as we all get ready to go to the bowl for the 7th place SEC team, maybe you should have waited a few weeks.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:36 pm to TutHillTiger
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Btw, to prove my point, as we all get ready to go to the bowl for the 7th place SEC team, maybe you should have waited a few weeks.
Waited for what?
And 6th place.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:40 pm to brewhan davey
Sorry I thought it was 7 place, I guess we should be glad Bama didnt send us to Indy bowl. 
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:48 pm to TutHillTiger
Well, in terms of the whole bowl selection pitfall this season, it really has come as a result of extraordinary circumstances.
Several posters believe that the Cotton Bowl's selection of A&M was not due to proximity and overall excitement of their playin style, but rather because the Cotton Bowl committee was pressured by Silve into picking A&M over us. This theory will take some hard evidence for me to believe.
This "travesty" of a bowl bid pales in comparison to 2005, when we lost the SECCG and somehow fell to the Peach Bowl.
Several posters believe that the Cotton Bowl's selection of A&M was not due to proximity and overall excitement of their playin style, but rather because the Cotton Bowl committee was pressured by Silve into picking A&M over us. This theory will take some hard evidence for me to believe.
This "travesty" of a bowl bid pales in comparison to 2005, when we lost the SECCG and somehow fell to the Peach Bowl.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:49 pm to TutHillTiger
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I want to make a few things clear too. A lot of LSU fans don't know our place and we are tired of being treated like freaking red headed step children and getting screwed at each and every chance, when we are not carrying the SEC banner we get screwed. It is that freaking simple and the evidence is all over the rant. I know some are just happy to be here, and will say all we have to do is beat Bama, and that is true, when they cant screw us we are fine. But others have a problem with a Bama boy who grew up in Tuscaloosa and used to work for Saban drawing up our schedule, just like fans at Ohio State would be if a Michigan guy did there schedule. The amount of control Alabama has over the SEC is unique in all of he FBS except for Texas and look how that played out.
Btw, to prove my point, as we all get ready to go to the bowl for the 7th place SEC team, maybe you should have waited a few weeks.
This + 100000000.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:53 pm to bearhc
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Every team should play the teams in their division and two from the other division on a rotating basis.
under the 8 conference scenerio this is the only equitable solution. there is too much at stake to allow a top tier team to skate as long as bama has and georgia too. this conference bills itself the best but allowing unfair scheduling proves it isn't. and not just LSU's schedule; the bottom feeders had harder divisional opponents than bama and georgia. LSU and USCe got hosed and it looks to continue.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 5:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
Well, in terms of the whole bowl selection pitfall this season, it really has come as a result of extraordinary circumstances.
I agree, and if it was just this year I would be Ok with it but there is a post on here that goes back 20 years and shows we have gotten screwed every time but twice.
I agree, and if it was just this year I would be Ok with it but there is a post on here that goes back 20 years and shows we have gotten screwed every time but twice.
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