re: I got to ask this. IF Trent Johnson were white. would he be fired?

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your right. you are bad at making or defending your point!

p.s. how many players can any one b.b. team have on scholarship in a given year?

above you have 18 in four leaving out a transfer. hmmmm.

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Which is a different rule than the 5+3 rule that we were talking about. So, not having enough scholarships to give is good justification for signing low-quality players? Dude has brought in 2 decent players in 3 years. That is pitiful.

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Which is a different rule than the 5+3 rule that we were talking about.

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you have to comply with both. it's not an either or rule. if you have 7 players on ships, you can't sign 8 more.

Thanks for the english lesson. Proof reading on a message board isn't my forte. I do understand "you're" trying to save face after "your" prior embarrassing display of ignorance.

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I got to ask this

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No. You don't.

Look how long and hard Brady ran us into the ground.

The race card is old and tired. When Brady got fired and Butch Pierre (who had the heaviest hand in recruitiment) left, Johnson was bankrupt of talent for 2010, hence we stunk. The 2011 class was pretty good but four freshmen guys (the core of the class) does not a contender make. LSU got some hot shot McDonald's All-American (I can't remember his name) for next year. I'd really wait until next year before breaking out the tar and feathers to run Trent out of town.

This program had some SERIOUS issues when he got here. They aren't clearing up overnight.

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Please define overnight- my heart cannot handle many more losses- I love my Tigers

Next fall/spring good enough for you? I think they'll be a much improved team in 2011-12. And how much improvement would you like? Would 8-8 in the SEC and an NIT bid next season be acceptable?

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I do understand "you're" trying to save face after "your" prior embarrassing display of ignorance

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I seriously question your reading comprehension. Go back and read. YOU said that the 5+3 rule hampered Trent Johnson. I showed that the rule actually had very little effect. The whole time YOU are arguing completely separate points because your core argument was wrong. Then you imply that I am dumb because I can't follow your line of reasoning, which is nowhere near the topic at hand.

You also ignored points I made like: with at least 3 scholarships to give each year, he has brought in ONE solid player and ONE player who will be solid at some point.

I'm not even calling for the guy to be fired, but you really need to stop trying to act like his knight in shining armor. It's really kind of sad. No matter what we say, Alleva is going to do what he does. I just know that, at this point, I feel like Trent Johnson is robbing LSU blind at $1.2M.

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I seriously question your reading comprehension. Go back and read. YOU said that the 5+3 rule hampered Trent Johnson. I showed that the rule actually had very little effect. The whole time YOU are arguing completely separate points because your core argument was wrong. Then you imply that I am dumb because I can't follow your line of reasoning, which is nowhere near the topic at hand.

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he was against the APR AND THE 5 and 3 rule. I'm sorry you can't understand if you have tasmin, temple, chris johnson, ect. on scholarship and you signed 8 players the previous two years (5 and 3) you can't come in and sign another 5 unless you start kicking people off.

what people don't understand, we had to give up a scholarship due to the apr rule. The players under brady were in poor academic standing. these things haven't been publicized as much as they should have.

you give brady a pass for n.c.a.a. probation. however, johnson came into a difficult situation as well. just hasn't been publicized as much.

As to the people he's brought in. Dotson was recruited by everyone. he was a high profile recruit. i can't fault trent for recruiting him. you have to fault everyone. the kid has been hurt. i don't know if that is his problem. Ludwig is bench player, he was the best player in the state that year. The other guy's (stringer, darenbecker, turner) show promise. obryant and isaac appear to be quality players.

i'm probably wrong for insulting you. i apologize for that. I just feel like if someone is going to go on a public forum and make defamatory comments about another, they should have their house/facts in order. (know what you are saying before you say it.) i believe in being fair with people. Not sure you would like or want the same being done to you. hell, you don't like me on here challenging you.

i'm not trents knight in shining armor. i just feel it's not fair to call for his head or judge him (people saying the only reason he isn't fired is because he's black) at this time. he deserves patience and a chance to build his program. if he doesn't show improvement/promise by next year then it's time to evaluate him.

his resume/background should give people a reason to believe. those calling for his head and making such comments should be fair with him in comparison to the previous lsu coaches. i provided valid stats of press, dale, and john, coaching records at lsu. he should be given that same opportunity.

this will be my last post to you. i've said what i've had to say. we have a difference of opinion. i'm not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine. i apologize for taking personal shots at you. i normally don't do that. once the lick my balls comment was fired, i took the low road and fired back. i should have taken the high road and ignored it.

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he was against the APR AND THE 5 and 3 rule. I'm sorry you can't understand if you have tasmin, temple, chris johnson, ect. on scholarship and you signed 8 players the previous two years (5 and 3) you can't come in and sign another 5 unless you start kicking people off.

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Sure, but you are greatly overstating the effect of the 5 and 3 rule and I pointed that out. If you want to discuss the 13 scholly limit that ALL schools have to deal with, give me a break. It's not some severe hindrance and could have been bridged with a decent JUCO. And did he not already kick 2 players off?

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what people don't understand, we had to give up a scholarship due to the apr rule. The players under brady were in poor academic standing. these things haven't been publicized as much as they should have.

you give brady a pass for n.c.a.a. probation. however, johnson came into a difficult situation as well. just hasn't been publicized as much.

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1 scholarship. Let me repeat, ONE SCHOLARSHIP. Sure, it can slow you down a bit, but that does not break a basketball program.

As for giving John Brady a break, umm, he was fired 3 years ago. You are still trying to compare two situations that are totally different.

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As to the people he's brought in. Dotson was recruited by everyone. he was a high profile recruit. i can't fault trent for recruiting him. you have to fault everyone. the kid has been hurt. i don't know if that is his problem. Ludwig is bench player, he was the best player in the state that year. The other guy's (stringer, darenbecker, turner) show promise. obryant and isaac appear to be quality players.

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Ludwig is a benchWARMER on a decent team. Stringer does not show promise. He's somewhere between Tac Minor and Bo Spencer sans 3 inches and handles. Dotson was not that highly recruited after he injured his knee. We ended up getting damaged goods, basically. O'Bryant and Isaac do appear solid, but so have a lot of high school players that never panned out.

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i'm not trents knight in shining armor. i just feel it's not fair to call for his head or judge him (people saying the only reason he isn't fired is because he's black) at this time. he deserves patience and a chance to build his program. if he doesn't show improvement/promise by next year then it's time to evaluate him.

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I'm not calling for his head, and you can go back and read what I thought about the thread, but you are in here blindly defending every single gripe against Johnson, most of which are completely warranted. You never wait until next year to evaluate a coach. People can stop giving a shite in an instant. That is why in every professional job I have had, I am rated annually. My boss doesn't say, "Well, he worked hard back in 2007, so it's fine if he doesn't do anything productive now." I may not be fired, but they are sure going to tell me I am fricking up and need to get my shite together. Trent should be brought in for the same thing.

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i apologize for taking personal shots at you. i normally don't do that. once the lick my balls comment was fired, i took the low road and fired back. i should have taken the high road and ignored it.

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That comment was posted in response to this little passive-aggressive gem:

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objective and selective point you got there. yeah, we should value your take.

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That wasn't the first time you resorted to that kind of crap, either. It also shows that you don't know what objective means.

To the OP

You're a moron