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re: I got to ask this. IF Trent Johnson were white. would he be fired?
Posted on 2/21/11 at 11:01 pm to andrewstephens23
Posted on 2/21/11 at 11:01 pm to andrewstephens23
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ottom line: Trent is a "high profile guy" that we got from Stanford who had tried to rebuild a program the way he wants to, and has finally started to do that, no matter what he would deserve another year.
High Profile?
Hell, nobody knows who he is.
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Posted on 2/21/11 at 11:23 pm to Zach
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If you fire a black coach, you will get sued.
JERRY BALDWIN:1st black head coach at any major La. university.Record of 6-27 and attendance was terrible.Same administration officials that hired him got sued.I believe Baldwin is now a minister at New Living Word Ministries in Ruston.I believe TJ will turn the program around.He will probably need to evaluate some of his assistants and possibly make a change.
This post was edited on 2/21/11 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 2/21/11 at 11:25 pm to tiger20
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Good thing he wasn't less than two years removed from an SEC title and a Final Four appearance. That is really dangerous territory for a coach.
I hear you.
We have gained no consistency since the last "dangerous territory" traveled by another LSU coach, but I want to see how it plays out before jumping once more into the new coach waters.
Bottom line...race is not a factor in this. A white coach would be getting his 4th year as well all things considered. imo
I can't recall a time any LSU coach in football or basketball not getting a 4th year.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 11:42 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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hear you.
We have gained no consistency since the last "dangerous territory" traveled by another LSU coach, but I want to see how it plays out before jumping once more into the new coach waters.
Bottom line...race is not a factor in this. A white coach would be getting his 4th year as well all things considered. imo
Trent deserves to have a full opportunity to build the program his way. He should have at least one more year. By next season he will have had three full recruiting years and part of a fourth to put together a competitive SEC contender which can challenge Kentucky, Vandy, florida and Alabama for supremacy. I believe Tenneessee will begin to fade as Pearl's shelf life is about expired there. Georgia could break into upper echelon status. State and Ole Miss will be perennil 7 to 9 win programs. South Carolina could go either way as could Arkansas.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 12:07 am to tiger20
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Trent deserves to have a full opportunity to build the program his way.
Why does he deserve this? You give no reasons, but point out his numerous years to recruit 5 good or capable college Basketball players, which he's failed to do. Or at least he's failed to coach them properly.
Trent's 4-24 SEC record the past 2 seasons, would indicate that he needs to GTFO.
This post was edited on 2/22/11 at 12:19 am
Posted on 2/22/11 at 8:00 am to Hitchcock
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past 2 seasons, would indicate that he needs to GTFO.
Relax...another season will not make or break LSU basketball, but could well do that for TJ's stay in BR.
You don't know the future and neither do I so stop with your cherry picking. TJ has 2+ seasons here and not 1+.Give the man the 27 wins and the SEC title. It is on his record too.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 8:16 am to Lonnie4LSU
I have been avoiding this thread like the plague, but will chime in. I think the very implication made here is racist and I'm kind of embarrassed by it.
I wouldn't mind it at all if TJ were given his walking papers at the end of the year, but I doubt it will happen. That has nothing to do with race, though. Like someone else pointed out, Alleva is trying to validate his only hire to this point. He could very well turn into the captain of a sinking ship who insists on going down with her.
I wouldn't mind it at all if TJ were given his walking papers at the end of the year, but I doubt it will happen. That has nothing to do with race, though. Like someone else pointed out, Alleva is trying to validate his only hire to this point. He could very well turn into the captain of a sinking ship who insists on going down with her.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 8:22 am to LSU77
A bad coach is a bad coach ... black or white, doesn't matter. If the guy COULD coach, I wouldn't care what color he is ... bottom line, the program is at an all-time low, and TJ is largely responsible.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 8:32 am to Raparooot
Yes, the powers that be are giving him an obama pass-C Temple
Posted on 2/22/11 at 8:45 am to HeadSlash
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I got to ask this. IF Trent Johnson were white. would he be fired?
1)wrong. you don't have to ask. you chose to ask.
2)If it's not ignorance, then why are you asking the question? if you know the answer then you don't have/got to ask.
3)answer is no. John brady happened to be white.
1997–1998 LSU 9–18 2–14 6th (West)
1998–1999 LSU 12–15 4–12 6th (West)
2000–2001 LSU 13–16 2–14 6th (West)
2006–2007 LSU 17–15 5–11 6th (West)
2007–2008 LSU 8–13 1–6 6th (West)
LSU: 192–139 74–93 (losing record in s.e.c. play during his 10 years)finished last in the division 5 out of 10.
dale brown happened to be white. (here are his 1st five seasons
1972-1973 LSU 14-10 9-9 5th
1973-1974 LSU 12-14 6-12 8th
1974-1975 LSU 10-16 6-12 7th
1975-1976 LSU 12-14 5-13 9th
1976-1977 LSU 15-12 8-10 5th
press maravich first three seasons at lsu. (he was white)
1966–1967 LSU 3–23
1967–1968 LSU 14–12
1968–1969 LSU 13–13
Posted on 2/22/11 at 8:47 am to dos crystal
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dos crystal
Get out of here with your facts. This is all about race.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 9:00 am to dos crystal
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answer is no. John brady happened to be white.
Brady was on probation his first four years here, for the record, He also won the SEC in his third year, on probation. The bottom line is TJ fell into a great opportunity here and blew it. It's amazing to me anyone can defend the state of this program. I cannot see us winning any more than 5-6 conference games next year unless he finds a true point guard and gets some help on the bench coaching during games. I just get the impression he thinks he is smarter than us down here in the south.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 9:02 am to Suntiger
Yes.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 9:08 am to spslayto
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Get out of here with your facts. This is all about race
i'm just tired of people talking out their arse about the b.b. team/coach.
we need j. jones. here is his first five years.
2001-02 North Texas SUNB 29 15 14 .517
2002-03 North Texas SUNB 28 7 21 .250
2003-04 North Texas SUNB 28 13 15 .464
2004-05 North Texas SUNB 28 14 14 .500
2005-06 North Texas SUNB 28 14 14 .500
this is the worst team in lsu history! i just provided more than 1 that was worse.
the a.d. made a bad hire. he needs to be fired. yet, every coach listed has as bad or worse records in their first 3-5 years. they would have all been fired by this standard.
daddy dale, the man who built the program, would have been fired before he turned it around in year 5.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 9:28 am to dos crystal
Relax dos crystal, people are just giving opinions here. You can throw out all the stats you want, but the bottom line is we have won 4 games in two years in our conference, with TJ. His game coaching sucks, his talent evaluation sucks, and his team's fundamentals are terrible. If your happy with a coach who hopefully gets us in the NIT in his fifth year, then tj is your guy. I for one think and always have thought he was the wrong guy for this job and his job performance up to this point continues to verify my point.
This post was edited on 2/22/11 at 9:32 am
Posted on 2/22/11 at 9:42 am to Raparooot
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We all know how the big wigs (Athletic Director, etc...) think.
No "we" don't.
Just because a bunch of ignorant fans get on a website and speculate about the athletic department, doesn't mean anyone knows how or what the athletic admistration is thinking.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 9:51 am to jr33
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Relax dos crystal, people are just giving opinions here.
yep, and opinions are like arse holes. everyone has one. that's why i don't value many of them.
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but the bottom line is we have won 4 games in two years in our conference
why omit year one? doesn't coincide with your "opinion"
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His game coaching sucks, his talent evaluation sucks, and his team's fundamentals are terrible.
if this is the case, how did he win the s.e.c. in year one? how did he take two different teams to the sweet sixteen? how did he build nevada from a 9 win team to a conference champ and sweet sixteen team?
i'm sorry if i need more than your "opinion" to form my conclusion. i don't follow jr33 and his thoughts/statements like a blind sheep.
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If your happy with a coach who hopefully gets us in the NIT in his fifth year, then tj is your guy. I
we aren't in year five. if he doesn't improve and make the n.c.a.a. by year five. then it's time to re-evaluate his future and make a decision at that time. i tend to be a patient but fair guy.
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I for one think and always have thought he was the wrong guy for this job
finally, the truth. it doesn't matter what he does. you formed your conclusion.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 9:57 am to Raparooot
Why do you have to ask this?
Posted on 2/22/11 at 10:05 am to dos crystal
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this is the worst team in lsu history! i just provided more than 1 that was worse.
No you didn't. You provided more than one that were close to as bad.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 10:10 am to jr33
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jr33
I enjoy debating the Trent issue with you because you don't just flame. but...
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TJ fell into a great opportunity here and blew it.
regardless of whether or not Trent is/was the right guy, this program was anorexic when Brady left.
I think I agree with you in that Trent might not have been the correct hire. At the same time I think he is a great coach and given time will succeed. A Pierre-like guy with regional ties could have pulled some better recruits, but that is a timing thing.
A coach from the other side of the country coming in to a poor local talent pool with a shallow program already flirting with losing a scholarship should be put on Alleva's decision making, not Trent's coaching ability
ETA: I do believe a coaching change now would be back tracking and the last two insufferable seasons would have been in vain if you don't at least give Trent next year.
This post was edited on 2/22/11 at 10:14 am
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