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re: How Many Games Did Chavis' Defense Win At LSU?
Posted on 5/16/15 at 10:24 am to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 5/16/15 at 10:24 am to TeLeFaWx
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Serious question... why was it not on the offense to score in those situations?
Because those were almost all situations where LSU had the lead and the other team had the ball last in a one score game.
The defense gets a stop to preserve victory and we win.
That is 12 out of 18 losses over the past 6 years.
We were 61-18 during Chavis' tenure.
This post was edited on 5/16/15 at 10:26 am
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Posted on 5/16/15 at 11:27 am to AlaTiger
This thread is so stupid.
Was Chavis perfect? Far from it.
But he did have some dominating defenses. And to only give credit to the defense for 1 win in 2011 is laughable.
In addition, many of the losses you blame on Chavis were the result of ineffective offense that put the defense in bad position to close out games. A lot of those losses, if the offense could have gotten in the end zone rather than a Fg, or could have gotten 1 more short first down, they would have been wins.
Yes, Chevis' D had some let downs, but to say he doesn't get credit for some of the blowout wins really isn't fair either.
Was Chavis perfect? Far from it.
But he did have some dominating defenses. And to only give credit to the defense for 1 win in 2011 is laughable.
In addition, many of the losses you blame on Chavis were the result of ineffective offense that put the defense in bad position to close out games. A lot of those losses, if the offense could have gotten in the end zone rather than a Fg, or could have gotten 1 more short first down, they would have been wins.
Yes, Chevis' D had some let downs, but to say he doesn't get credit for some of the blowout wins really isn't fair either.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 11:34 am to AlaTiger
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We averaged almost 40 ppg that year. The defense was great, but it was not winning all of our games for us.
Come on, this is revisionist history at it's finest.
We averaged 40 points because our defense and special teams scored a number of TDs and they created a shite ton of turnovers that put our decent but not great offense in position for easy scores.
Our defense was a significant part of the win vs Oregon, the blowouts vs florida and Auburn, Defense and Special Teams beat Arkansas, and remember, the offense did't do jack shite in the SECCG until midway through the third quarter after TM and the defense single handedly kept us in that game.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 12:36 pm to AlaTiger
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Because those were almost all situations where LSU had the lead and the other team had the ball last in a one score game.
So these 12 games were all scenarios in which LSU had the lead and the offense couldn't have done anything to help? Just one series? I find that very hard to believe. LSU obtaining the lead with one opposing possession left that many times is almost a statistical impossibility.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 12:50 pm to AlaTiger
Every game of the 2011 regular season.......
Posted on 5/16/15 at 12:53 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So these 12 games were all scenarios in which LSU had the lead and the offense couldn't have done anything to help?
There where a some games where the offense got the ball back, but it was with very little time left to drive the length of the field.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 1:02 pm to c on z
To these people who blame the 2012 loss to Bama on Chavis, apparently you have never heard of the Warecat.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 1:03 pm to AlaTiger
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Lost to Alabama 21-17. Gave up 14 points at end of each half.
So LSU's D gave up 28 points (14 each half) but Alabama officially scored 21?
Posted on 5/16/15 at 1:22 pm to c on z
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There where a some games where the offense got the ball back, but it was with very little time left to drive the length of the field.
So all 12 of these leads were obtained so late in 4th quarter that either a)the offense didn't get the ball back or b) there was absolutely no realistic time left to score. O. And the offense played up to a reasonable enough level the rest of the game it's perfectly acceptable to place all blame on the defense. Got it. Chavis must be terrible. If I were y'all I'd be glad all his terrible defenses are gone.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 2:20 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So all 12 of these leads were obtained so late in 4th quarter that either a)the offense didn't get the ball back or b) there was absolutely no realistic time left to score. O
Bottom of page 2. Chavis's defenses were great at many things, but closing out games is not among them.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 2:28 pm to TeLeFaWx
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TeLeFaWx
Ags don't have the DBs to compete yet. Their defense will be the Myles Garrett show all year and every team will just double team him anyway. Mack is too small to make any impact right away. Your defense will still suck. Your offense will suck because Kevin Sumlin doesn't like to run the ball. The addition of your "run game coordinator" (pathetic) only further complicates that.
In short, Ags fricked, SEC stacked.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 2:53 pm to AlaTiger
While we can mostly agree that Chavis's defenses, when it came down to crunch time and having to make a stop, were maybe mediocre, the offense put the team in those situations more often than not. Miles' offense, as a whole kept the defense on the field too long. I am in no way a Chavis fan, but it was obvious that the defense was just gassed in many cases. It was also obvious, however, that the opposing offensive staffs had Chavis figured out and made changes as needed, while Chavis had difficulty countering.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 3:14 pm to LACountyTiger
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this is revisionist history at it's finest.
LSU had the second best rush game, the forth best total offense, and the best passing efficiency in the SEC in 2011. Anyone suggesting the offense sat around with their finger up their up their arse while the defense and STs did everything is full of shite.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 3:18 pm to AlaTiger
Bottom line, IMO... Football has changed. The days of winning games scoring less than 21 points are over. Sure, there will be the occasional exception, but to be consistently succesful, our offense needs to score 28 a game while playing good defense.
Chavis also benefited more often than not with us running the ball so much.
Chavis also benefited more often than not with us running the ball so much.
This post was edited on 5/16/15 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 5/16/15 at 3:18 pm to AlaTiger
Shouldn't be how many he won should be how many big games he lost with laying back. Wait till Texas sees that crap.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 3:22 pm to LSU Groupee
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Anyone suggesting the offense sat around with their finger up their up their arse while the defense and STs did everything is full of shite
And anyone suggesting that the D was not responsible for more than 1 win that year is equally full of shite.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 4:45 pm to chilge1
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Bottom of page 2. Chavis's defenses were great at many things, but closing out games is not among them.
If I'm worried about closing out a game, I'd take a Chavis defense over any Les Miles offense 10 times out of 10.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 5:06 pm to AlaTiger
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Posted on 5/16/15 at 5:13 pm to AlaTiger
Last 5 seasons ESPN ranked LSU between 5th and 15th in total D nationally.
Don't even want to repeat total O rankings!
Don't even want to repeat total O rankings!
Posted on 5/16/15 at 7:39 pm to tigerborderjumper
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While we can mostly agree that Chavis's defenses, when it came down to crunch time and having to make a stop, were maybe mediocre
Honestly, his defenses were generally quite good. Surely most of it was due to good recruiting rather than game planning but it was fairly solid IMHO. The negatigers might want to consider that several other highly successful programs (ahem ... Baylor) have much worse records on D.
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