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re: How can ORE be proud of their offensive system?

Posted on 6/9/11 at 11:56 am to
Posted by Holden Caulfield
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 11:56 am to
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I wish you well this season!

Same to you, DucksflyinPAC, and the Ducks.
Posted by trex1230
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 1:43 pm to
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Same to you, DucksflyinPAC, and the Ducks.


I would like to see the Ducks USC again.

Posted by EricB
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 2:01 pm to
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tempo to their advantage.


Agree. Pac officials allow them to sub players in the game without allowing defenses to make substitutions which is against NCAA rules. If they are snapping the ball too fast for NCAA officials to enforce the rules, then ofcourse this is gimmick.
Posted by CajunFootball
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 2:05 pm to
Do you know which conference will have officials at the game?
Posted by bisonduck
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 2:12 pm to
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Agree. Pac officials allow them to sub players in the game without allowing defenses to make substitutions which is against NCAA rules. If they are snapping the ball too fast for NCAA officials to enforce the rules, then ofcourse this is gimmick


Is this really against the rules? Hey, team don't line up to fast because they have to substitute. SEC officials didn't let UT substitute.
This post was edited on 6/9/11 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 4:05 pm to
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Is this really against the rules? Hey, team don't line up to fast because they have to substitute. SEC officials didn't let UT substitute.


I think he's talking about the "break the huddle" rule, and the "hold the ball" rule, as they are generally enforced in tandem - I did not watch very many Pac-10 matchups so, I'm not sure about the enforcement.

Anyway, the first rule discussed is that the offense can sub in and out all they want, but cannot break the huddle with more than 11 players on the field - this is to avoid the trick where you put 14 or 15 guys in the huddle, break and have the 3 or 4 guys just run off the field, leaving the defense scrambling to figure out if it is a 3 wide or 3 TE package. That's a penalty.

The other rule is the "hold the ball" (that's what I call it ) where the teams are lined up and the offense substitutes out of a formation - when that happens the Umpire walks up and basically holds the ball and pauses the action until he sees that the defense will not sub in response or that they have had a reasonable opportunity to do so, then he steps back out, allowing the offense to snap the ball.

These are both competition committee rules to counter the imbalance created by some fast tempo offenses. I don't think "snapping the ball too fast" or "lining up too fast" as suggested are penalties - either they're cleared to snap the ball or not.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 4:10 pm to
Well this would surely put a bind in their offense if we get a chance to sub in an out on defense.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 4:12 pm to
None of this was ever the case. We never huddle or substitute on offense. We substitute after the series is over and use the same players.

This post was edited on 6/9/11 at 4:28 pm
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 4:21 pm to
Oregon poses a serious challenge for the Tigers, no doubt. But I like LSU's chances given the fact that they have some time to prepare for this quick pace offense. I'm not saying that it won't be effective against us at times, but our defensive athletes should make enough plays to keep them from out scoring us. It'll be more of a slugfest than the track meet style offense they are used to. If our offense can be as good or better against Oregon as they were against Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl, I really do like our chances.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 4:26 pm to
I see it the same way - a slugfest. Although I don't see your offense being as effective as they were with TAMU.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 5:33 pm to
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None of this was ever the case. We never huddle or substitute on offense. We substitute after the series is over and use the same players.



I didn't say it was - I was trying to clarify what he meant - snapping the ball "too fast" might be how opponents decry the "Quack Attack" - the rules I cited affect certain flavors of hurry up offenses. In fact, I suspect the QA was a response to some of those rule changes.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 5:35 pm to
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Well this would surely put a bind in their offense if we get a chance to sub in an out on defense.


Not necessarily - the Quack Attack is a uptempo offense but does not rely heavily on substitutions - they call the play quickly and, more or less, huddle on the ball - when the umpire drops his arm - it's on.

They don't rely on personnel mismatches as much as they run lots of (presumably) scripted plays to wear a defense out and not allow very much time for the defense to rest, set or substitute.
This post was edited on 6/9/11 at 5:38 pm
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