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re: Guilbeau: Orgeron does not inherit as great a program as Miles
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:09 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:09 am to Topwater Trout
quote:
Saban took over a losing program.
That had depth and was loaded with NFL talent that had many players stay in the NFL longer than Saban's initial recruits. DiNardo may have gone full rantard with his DC hire and conspiracy lunacy, but he left that team loaded with talent.
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:25 am to SamuelClemens
Miles probably inherited a better team in year one, Orgeron is inheriting a better program. The SEC West is also much better now than it was in 04-05.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:27 am to DmitriKaramazov
It is likely LSU will be favored in every game but one or two. The fact is the offensive line gets a lot of blame regardless of whether it is talent, coaching or scheme.
The 2017 LSU Tigers ought to be a top ten team on all accounts... and if they come to play every Saturday and have some good luck they are definitely in the hunt for a playoff spot.
The 2017 LSU Tigers ought to be a top ten team on all accounts... and if they come to play every Saturday and have some good luck they are definitely in the hunt for a playoff spot.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:00 am to DmitriKaramazov
quote:This is one of the most interesting and bizarre aspects of the LSU offense the past couple of years. We've seen that the offensive "scheme" isn't bad... when it works, we've seen 5-6 hundred yd output, sometimes against good teams. There are times our O-line has enabled over 300 yds rushing, while still having legit HR threats at WR on the field. That SHOULD beat anyone.
Miles’ best parting gifts to Orgeron were unquestionably Guice and defensive coordinator Dave Aranda. The offensive line he leaves, though, may be the worst of his 12-year tenure. Orgeron was reminded of that clearly in the 10-0 loss to Alabama.
But there are times that the O line is non-existent.
I wouldn't change much of anything we do on offense, but focus on getting TOP linemen. If we can get to even footing on the line vs Alabama, we should win. If we could even get close, we should win. But we can't keep looking like we're putting a high school line against an NFL one, or nothing will work.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:05 am to DmitriKaramazov
Getting those excuses in early
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:24 am to DmitriKaramazov
The talent on this years team was every bit as good as what Miles inherited. Unfortunately Miles was allowed to drop 2 winnable games this season before anyone else could take over.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:27 am to SamuelClemens
quote:
DiNardo may have gone full rantard with his DC hire and conspiracy lunacy, but he left that team loaded with talent.
still harder to take a loser to a winner than keep a winner a winner
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:44 am to misey94
Jesus, y'all revisionist history of Saban while at LSU, since this whole topic is based on the oline. Go and look what miles inherited at said position. 8 guys that were worth playing 4 of which were seniors. Absolutely zero depth and because miles could only sign 13 players and got hired in January, he brought in ciron black. Saban left the o-line in a whole lot worse shape than miles did, there is actually quality depth and he recruited olinemen in his last year so O wouldn't have to scramble to sign them.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:58 am to Topwater Trout
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still harder to take a loser to a winner than keep a winner a winner
So, you think winning for five years is harder than winning for eleven years. You clowns crack me up.
What Gerry did at LSU, win and stop the mass defections of high school players to out of state programs, enabled Saban to do what he did at LSU. What Saban did at LSU enabled Les to do what he did.
What all three of those head coaches did should enable O to win eleven games this year if we don't have to cancel another game.
We now have great coaching, right. We always have great talent, right. Eleven wins should be no problem, right.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:04 pm to LSU Groupee
question is who took over a better program...based on the 5 prior years.
2 sec titles and a national championship is better than 1 sec title...right? all you have to do is answer that question
2 sec titles and a national championship is better than 1 sec title...right? all you have to do is answer that question
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:13 pm to DmitriKaramazov
2 years removed from a national title and 10 years removed.....no kidding
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:18 pm to PsychTiger
quote:
He's a castle made of sand, but don't worry, he'll likely be gone once the tide comes in.
Damn, dude, I would have given you:
'castles made of sand, fall in the sea, eventually'
or
'castles made of sand, melt into the sea, eventually'
or
'castles made of sand slips into the sea, eventually'
But no, you blew it. For that you get no points, and one down vote.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:20 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
question is who took over a better program...based on the 5 prior years.
2 sec titles and a national championship is better than 1 sec title...right? all you have to do is answer that question
Yes, that is better.
Is that the only measuring stick by which the strength of a program is measured?
All you have to do is answer that question.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:21 pm to bayourougebengal
You understand that future NFL players aren't the only players that make up a college football team right? Saban inherited a few playmakers in 2000 but the depth and average talent at every position was literally not even close then to what he left Miles in 2005. That was one of the dumbest fricking statements I've ever seen.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:21 pm to Topwater Trout
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2 sec titles
How many SEC titles might LSU have won if winning the west could have been possible with three conference losses? How much harder is an SEC from 2000-2004 which owns one NC to the SEC from 2005-2016 which owns about ten?
What's better? A shared NC, 2003, or and the undisputed NC of 2007?
Interesting how "LSU fans" cant seem to get Saban's sack out of their month.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:38 pm to LSU Groupee
That's a good point actually. Three conference losses in 2001 results in a championship. Three conference losses in 2015 results in a mishandled firing.
The expectations are different now because the program is better, 17 consecutive winning seasons means it is a sustainable winner with proven elite potential while some still wondered if it was a flash in the pan based on one coach back in 05. It was only 5 years removed from a losing decade at that point.
The expectations are different now because the program is better, 17 consecutive winning seasons means it is a sustainable winner with proven elite potential while some still wondered if it was a flash in the pan based on one coach back in 05. It was only 5 years removed from a losing decade at that point.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:20 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:
LSU Groupee
Some of them will never stop riding his dick. They act like we had the same guy that's now coaching in Tuscaloosa, which is fricking retarded.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:49 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:
What's better? A shared NC, 2003,
holy frick you consider that a shared title...what a fricktard
quote:
r and the undisputed NC of 2007?
you think a 2 loss champ is better than a 1 loss champ?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:50 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Is that the only measuring stick by which the strength of a program is measured?
nope
Posted on 1/4/17 at 2:19 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
holy frick you consider that a shared title...what a fricktard
The NCAA list 2003 as a shared NC between LSU and USC. Get your head out of your arse.
I think a title awarded to one team is better than a shared title by two teams. If you don't, you are clueless.
What rock have you been under if you didn't know 2003 was a shared title? I am beginning to think you aren't even an LSU fan.
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