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re: Gordy Rush defensive film breakdown RE: losing contain
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:27 pm to clamdip
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:27 pm to clamdip
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LSU is gearing up, imo, to beat A&M with speed and aggressiveness. They will take their chances with Bama this year with that "light" defense against Bama's traditional offense because LSU's offense has a better chance at keeping pace than in years past. Just my opinion.
I don't think Chavis is planning for any one offense or type of offense. he's gonna run the same D he always has, which is versatile enough in its scheme to pretty much match up to anything opponents throw at us.
ultimately, we're just going thru growing pains. we lost a lot of guys and gotta get everybody on the same page. even the 03 defense was still figuring itself out a few games into the season (at one point Laron was a CB and T Daniels the FS).
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Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:33 pm to The312
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Lost in all of this thoughtful assessment of our containment problems is that fact that we have also been gashed up the middle from time to time
Chicken or the egg, I guess. I doubt anyone is going to line up in short yardage, and repeatedly gash us. The containment issues probably have created the middle concern.
Playing with the lead, we probably invite a double on one downtech with an inside handoff. With the MLB playing on his heels due to containment issues, it's easier to penetrate. We miss Minter, big time right now.
There's just not a lot of scraping going on. At some point, Chief is going to have to trust the calls to somebody else. But, for now, it's apparent that ain't happening.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:45 pm to cajunjj
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So far this season, the LB's have been almost non-existent! Hopefully with more games under their belts we will be ready for the SEC
Great post I have been stating that for the past 2 weeks and been getting roasted over it with people saying not to worry Chief will get it worked out. Look at the production from the LB-ing core from this year to last year and Minter alone had the same amount of tackles that our entire LB-ing core has. Production has fallen off dramatically and that is not good. Good offensive minded teams see it and are going to exploit this, and if anyone doesn't think Malzahn is not a good offensive minded coach they are nuts and so is Richt. We need to see drastic improvement from the LB-ing core this week and from our safety and corner play in run support. The good thing is we do have Chief and I am sure he can see it to.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:49 pm to clamdip
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I think Beckwith will play mostly DE, not LB
Well that is in direct conflict with where Miles stated they are going to work with him and that is the Mike position. Which is exactly where I think he should be. 6'3in, 240lbs and fast, going sideline to sideline I am thinking another Darry or Kevin Minter.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:53 pm to clamdip
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LSU is gearing up, imo, to beat A&M with speed and aggressiveness.
Unfortunately it is A&M, Ole Piss and Auburn with the spread. Personally I like the smash mouth stout defensive football, I know the 9-6 game like 2 years ago at Bama is boring to some but to me I love it.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:02 pm to wahoocs
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nfortunately, Kent St. isn't the perfect team to iron all of our defensive issues out,
Actually it is a great team to iron out the defensive issues. If there starting running back plays "ankle injury" is a freaking really good one. Kent St. an offensive minded team we need a good test from a team we should be able to beat no matter what they do. I think Kent St is exactly what the doctor ordered.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:07 pm to Dudebro2
We are waiting until TAMU to break out the secret defensive playbook. Don't want to show too much to the completion just yet. 
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:16 pm to ATLTiger
quote:we beat A&M last year and handled them better than anyone else because of two things:
I don't think Chavis is planning for any one offense or type of offense. he's gonna run the same D he always has, which is versatile enough in its scheme to pretty much match up to anything opponents throw at us.
1. our front seven was very active, athletic and good at open field tackling.
2. our corners made JFF have to throw very accurately over the top and up the sidelines, and he *failed* in that regard.
My point was that Chavis wants that same approach again, which means at this point he is still experimenting because we are worse on those 2 points right now.
On point#1:
(A) gotta have more athleticism at LB. And that means new guys. Those new guys have to know their responsibilities and reads first, though. Then their minds will be freed up to go make athletic tackles in space.
(B) gotta have better containment and technique at DE, and that might come with new guys (and Beckwith played more snaps at DE than LB from what I saw in UAB game)
On point#2:
(A) well, it seems pretty obvious that we have some weakness with Collins, Martin, and even Loston. Will T.White, R.Robinson, R.Jefferson, etc. be "ready in time?"
(B) even if they are still green, if they have speed and tackling to make up for mistakes, they will play more and more as we lead up to the key games (A&M, Bama, Ole Mess).
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:25 pm to Dudebro2
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Well that is in direct conflict with where Miles stated they are going to work with him
Not what I heard or have observed.
Miles got a call about trying Beckwith at Mike. Miles was not condescending like he could have been. He said Beckwith could be a mike, sure. He's big and strong and fast. They look forward to his growing participation.
Put that into context with what we see on the field. Beckwith is currently coming in the game on obvious passing downs. He's playing with his hand in the dirt as an olb.
In addition to this, he played the whole fourth quarter at ol, standing up.
I can tell you this, Beckwith was going to get two sacks last game if it weren't for allen beating him by a step to the qb (after crushing a double team) and another just near miss. These were both during the first half when the starters were in.
IMO miles is downplaying him so that opponents won't gameplan for him. He is a terror rushing the passer, which he could rarely do from MLB. I project he'll continue to be our pass rush specialist when the game is on the line.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:26 pm to BigEdLSU
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Opponents have seen a weakness on film and are exploiting our young guys (duh).
And the good news is that these problems are very coachable/correctable. It is not a lack of ability, but execution on the defensive side. Just having some of the starters sit more and watch it in real time may help during the Kent game.
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As an aside, he said kwon is the only linebacker that's been playing this right. Even barrow has been messing it up.
Welter has been getting beat up by the fans, but I've seen every linebacker fail to wrap up what should have been a clean tackle, except Barrow and Kwon. And ALL the DBs who have played have whiffed on tackles.
Good news - the young linemen are ahead of schedule. Again- the rest of this is very coachable/fixable. I would be much more worried about the SEC schedule if the linemen were getting mauled and the LBers were covering for them.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:32 pm to clamdip
I think that Chief will solidify the LB positions this weekend. It seems obvious that he's still open to changes that will work. He wanted Welker to work out in the middle, but he just doesn't seem to have what it takes. But Louis seems to be catching on somewhat. Hopefully Kwon, Barrow, and Jones will get it done.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:40 pm to Springlake Tiger
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Pretty obvious who needs to start at LB.
Kwon: best LB on roster
Barrow: 2nd best on roster; has good size
T Jones: very fast and has tons of exp
L Louis should be first in, with D Jones as replacement for T Jones when he comes out. Beckwith should also play. All of the others should only play if there are injuries.
wow, why do we need chief? to think, that guy has been successful for over 20 years in the s.e.c. and he doesn't know who the best players are.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:46 pm to dos crystal
I don't understand the sarcasm. I know you saw how furious chief was in the booth. Word is he gave a legendary halftime speech...... Errrrrr.... Asschewing
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:48 pm to dos crystal
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wow, why do we need chief? to think, that guy has been successful for over 20 years in the s.e.c. and he doesn't know who the best players are.
Welcome to the Rant. Where everyone knows more than the coaches do.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 2:13 pm to BigEdLSU
Our DE's have been bad at contain for years. I've literally felt like calling the coaches show and asking Les if they teach stuff like "deep as the deepest man". Basic stuff that DE's learn in YMCA ball in fifth grade.
It seems like 75% of the time, all the QB has to do is look like he is handing off the other way and our DE's are already going that way behind the defensive line and completely forgetting all their fundamentals.
It seems like 75% of the time, all the QB has to do is look like he is handing off the other way and our DE's are already going that way behind the defensive line and completely forgetting all their fundamentals.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 2:13 pm to dos crystal
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wow, why do we need chief? to think, that guy has been successful for over 20 years in the s.e.c. and he doesn't know who the best players are
Well, its pretty obvious the three best LB's havent been on the field so far this season so shut the frick up.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 2:19 pm to White Shadeaux
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Too bad the one from UAB blew right past him for one.
I remember Mo Claiborne giving up a bomb for a TD against Florida. It happens.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 2:22 pm to clamdip
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Yes, this is trending towards a smaller defense right now. I think Welter will be replaced.
I call BS.
Our DEs are bigger
Our DTs are the same size
Our LBs are about the same size except Welter (231 is 15 lbs lighter than Minter)
Our DBs are the same size
Posted on 9/12/13 at 2:25 pm to Penrod
quote:you may be right. that's why i was wondering if someone less lazy than me has done a size/weight comparison between this year and 2011/2012.
I call BS.
Our DEs are bigger
Our DTs are the same size
Our LBs are about the same size except Welter (231 is 15 lbs lighter than Minter)
Our DBs are the same size
Posted on 9/12/13 at 2:26 pm to Penrod
quote:the whistle blew!
I remember Mo Claiborne giving up a bomb for a TD against Florida. It happens.
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