re: Glaring weaknesses after 2007

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They always say that good players make good coaches.

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pretty much anytime the words ALWAYS or NEVER are used,
the answer is FALSE

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So what changed in our players at the end of the 2007 season that signified us going down this path?

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Some people might say it was the end of the line for most of Saban's recruits. I don't know about that, but it may have marked the beginning of the end of the culture of football excellence he beat into the LSU team during his tenure. Les Miles seemed to bring in a more laissez faire 'let'er rip' style of play and coaching that focused less on the minute details of the game and knowing your position, and more on something that resembled a cult of personality that sort of depended on specific individual players and less on team cohesion. In other words, excellence began going out the window around that time. It hasn't totally been eliminated, but it is far less a part of the more recent Les Miles-coached LSU teams now than it was back then.

May 5, 2008 - LSU says coach Les Miles has kicked quarterback Ryan Perrilloux off the

We also are instilling a new O-scheme w/ Crowton, while running the risk of instilling a new D had Miles opted to hire instead of going the Co-D route to maintain some continuity.

2009--Chavis hired and actually makes strides with the D, but O still lags. BUT JL is not the answer nor is JJ nor was Gary C. Bad hire and the wrong recruits for the overly complicated system.


2011--Steve Kragthore hired. 2011 SK diagnosed and resigns a month before the season starts. Miles shuffles and moves Stud from O-Line to OC. Best season in history because the O was simple and we were a power running team and the D was solid.

2012--Stud remains as OC--13-0 is hard to argue he isn't qualified, but Miles is also not making changes because he is loyal to a fault and wants to allow SK to maintain employment. Lose a heart breaker to Bama and D-players sort of shut things down and made up their minds to enter the draft--at this point there was no SECC or BCSNC to play for. The D certainly digressed toward the back end of the season.

2013--replacing 8 defensive players. Not a typical replacement where the departures were SRs so the replacements would have 2-3 full years in the system. These players have 1-2 years in the system since the departures were Juniors.

Quite simple to see why we have not been able to put it all together BUT given all these events and the timing of these events it is quite remarkable that Miles has had the success he has had.

Our QB position took a big hit when our 08 and 09 QB was kicked off of the team. Looking back, JL was ruined early and never developed into a great QB like he could have been. JJ never should have been on the field.

Besides that, the never ending shitty assistant coaching parade didn't help matters either.

You are missing the point. It's not that you said something negative. It's the fact that you had to hide your agenda with some dumbass statement like he doesn't field a perfect team. Well no shite. You can go through every team that every LSU coach has ever had and point out a weakness. Also I'd bet this isn't the only time you've bitched. You bitch on saturdays too i'd imagine, to all the fans around you who don't give a frick what you have to say. I know i'm going a little overboard but people like you piss me off. Don't start a troll tread that has no actual point or factual evidence. Just start a tread that says you don't like Miles because he isn't Saban.

Edit: I'm not saying be a sunshine pumper in all cases or that you have to love Miles but you're definition of support isn't the same as mine.

The offense wasn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Look at stats posted in the thread comparing 2007 and 2011. That however is not the point of this entire thread. The OP meant it as a Nick Saban dick sucking thread.

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Well, we did lose 2 regular season games in 2007.

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and tell me, why was that? coaching? we should have been UNDEFEATED THAT YEAR!

You picked 2007 as a cutoff year. That's when everyone says we were then playing with Miles's players. If you think they have an equal formula why make the statement starting with after 2007? I'm not ok with being number 2 but I until you can give me a guy who will come to LSU, recruit like Miles does, and give us a chance to win a championship every year if not for firing the guy. You act as though I support Miles over LSU which is not the case however I don't seek to somehow explain how every lose is due to his inability to create a perfect team. The fact is your initial statement was crap. There were weaknesses before and will be weaknesses after. You have chose to hyperbole certain years to prove your point.

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So what changed in our players at the end of the 2007 season that signified us going down this path?

We won more games than just about everyone else in college football...