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re: ESPN predicts Ben Simmons "won't live up to the hype"
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:20 pm to c on z
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:20 pm to c on z
I'm not saying LSU should have given Jones a higher salary to start. I just think as far as performance based pay is concerned he's done a very good job.
Kansas State letting Martin walk over a moderate raise to Carolina is pretty telling to me imo
Kansas State letting Martin walk over a moderate raise to Carolina is pretty telling to me imo
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:23 pm to Meep
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Meep
Quit being a dick...ALTER..............
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:27 pm to PhillyFan1994
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Just one problem: He has a coach who doesn't have a knack for developing talent.
But..But... But... Tim Quarterman....
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:39 pm to PhillyFan1994
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Jarell Martin and Jordan Mickey didn't make the strides that most anticipated when the two NBA prospects returned for the 2014-15 season.
WUT?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:40 pm to craig8sm
Here is the simple fact overlooked by people who make simplistic evaluations of JJ, Martin and Mickey are not THAT great talent wise. You can't count on either to consistently make good shots or hold the paint. And if you are a player with a tweener build that can't consistenly be counted on either end of the court, you are neither that great of a prospect or a guy to make a program elite. There is a reason one will be drafted early 2nd, and othe probably won't be drafted at all. If it was a question of untapped talent, the NBA wouldnt have a problem seeing them as elite projects.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:43 pm to cas4t
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no it wasn't.
ODU loss, never was in it
Clemson lost, we trailed only 1 minute that 2nd half, the last one.
Terrilbe Mizzou, 8 point lead with 8 left
TAMU, led by 9 with 9 left
terrible Miss St, we were just terrible that whole game
Auburn, played terrible, shot 4-17 from 3
Kentucky, up 4 with 4:30 left, didn't score again
TAMU, up 8 with 12 left, tied with 2:30 left, didn't' score again
Tenn, kicked our arse
Auburn, up 6 with 2 minutes
NC State, up 14 with 9 left, scored 3 points
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I'd blame that more on lack of depth, execution, and then the game plan. LSU likes to get out in transition, and NC State stopped that.
We had as much depth as Duke. and you mean LSU plays better playing street ball.
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missing open shots =/= not knowing how
passing the ball around the perimeter without ever penetrating or trying to get the ball to the short corner or free throw line and jacking up a 3 with less than 7 seconds left on a the shot clock =/= missing open shots
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I assume you mean LSU's, right? That's not Jones' fault. Shooters are streaky and late in the season you lose your legs. LSU lacked quality depth IMO.
Hornsby requires screens and someone to pass to him to get his shot off. If we aren't running plays for him, it's the coach and PG's fault, not Hornsby.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:44 pm to LSU Patrick
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WUT?
Micky had a great first half of the season, but teams quickly figured out that he can't guard on the ball. Martin was going to improve no matter what. He is a naturally gifted athlete.
Tim Quarterman is the only player that JJ has truly developed. I'm interested to see what Jones can do with Patterson after this year, but I'm afraid he may get lost in the shuffle especially if Newman comes.
The fact of the matter is, Jones failed to develop a competent 3rd big man. That was the downfall of this team. Odo, Robinson, and Malone were all terrible this year. Now whether that falls on them or on Jones, i don't know, but it's definitely a cause for concern.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:46 pm to Tigercat
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Here is the simple fact overlooked by people who make simplistic evaluations of JJ, Martin and Mickey are not THAT great talent wise. You can't count on either to consistently make good shots or hold the paint. And if you are a player with a tweener build that can't consistenly be counted on either end of the court, you are neither that great of a prospect or a guy to make a program elite. There is a reason one will be drafted early 2nd, and othe probably won't be drafted at all. If it was a question of untapped talent, the NBA wouldnt have a problem seeing them as elite projects.
i really wish you'd post more. Every time you contribute it's more substantial and logical than 98% of the posts in basketball threads
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:47 pm to Tigercat
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There is a reason one will be drafted early 2nd, and other probably won't be drafted at all.
They don't just roll the dice with these decisions you know. They are allows to get feed back (through the university iirc) from NBA talent personal as to the likelihood of them being drafted and projected range.
Trust me Martin is late 1st, Mickey is late, late 1st early 2nd.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:50 pm to craig8sm
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Mickey is late, late 1st early 2nd.
No.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:56 pm to craig8sm
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Mickey is late, late 1st early 2nd.
Doubtful.
Look, Mickey has talent and I liked him for the majority of his time here, but he's a tweener in the NBA.
Too small to play the 4 and not skilled enough at ball-handling, penetration, and long range shooting to play the 3.
I'm rooting for Mickey, but I'm just not seeing an NBA future for him.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:07 pm to craig8sm
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Mickey is late, late 1st early 2nd.
Not even close. Can't dribble and doesn't have an outside shot to play the 3, which he is the right height and weight for. Too small to play the four considering he can't defend on the ball, has zero post moves, and lacks toughness often getting pushed around by smaller players. He will be lucky to get drafted and will have to have a major transformation to every make a team in the NBA.
Martin made a big leap from year 1 to 2. Him not wanting the ball at end of games isn't anything to do with JJ.
TQ made huge strides this season. Despite his other faults, JJ has done his part developing his players.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:10 pm to craig8sm
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Trust me Martin is late 1st, Mickey is late, late 1st early 2nd.
No one trusts you.
Mickey is playing outside of this country next year.
He's a SF in the NBA, yet can't guard any. the only position he can guard is the stretch 4 white guy, and they would learn quickly that they could post him up. He has zero offensive game outside of hustle.
I think the NBA is tired of drafting these undersized athletic guys that can barely dribble, much less shoot.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:13 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Martin made a big leap from year 1 to 2. Him not wanting the ball at end of games isn't anything to do with JJ.
TQ made huge strides this season. Despite his other faults, JJ has done his part developing his players.
Martin had the god given talent and was going to make the leap regardless of coaching. Jones has done a good job with TQ, but that is it.
Gray-nope (i dont blame this so much on Jones, he really wasnt a good fit for what we were trying to do)
Hornsby- I didn't watch much of him at UNC-Ashville to know if he improved much
Patterson- TBD
Epps- TBD
Mickey- nope
Robinson- nope (next year will be very telling)
Odo- nope
Malone- nope
Bridgwater- nope
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:23 pm to PhillyFan1994
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Jarell still doesn't have a very consistent jumpshot and Jordan doesn't have much of an offensive game at all outside of dunking
JJ can't play for the dudes. Just because a player isn't a complete player doesn't mean he hasn't improved. Both guys were 1st team All-SEC
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:23 pm to PhillyFan1994
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:30 pm to UpToPar
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Martin had the god given talent and was going to make the leap regardless of coaching.
Magnum Rolle is choking on spit reading that
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Patterson- TBD
considering he made an unheralded 3* SEC ready, he deserves some credit there
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Malone- nope
Malone has made incremental improvements, and incremental could be an overstatement. every one knew he was a big project. next season will tell a lot though I'll give you that
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Bridgwater- nope
LSU managed to get a 6'4" power forward serviceable in a P5 conference.
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Robinson and Epps
No one knew their health status throughout the season, so I'm not sure how fair it is to judge the development of these two. again I'll agree with you that next season will be telling for most of the post players
He also deserves some credit for developing unheralded guys at UNT. I don't think anyone is saying he's elite at developing talent, but ESPN bluntly saying he can't develop talent-especially a talent like Simmons-is outrageous
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:42 pm to tigerbait2010
Losing Mickey and Martin, we absolutely need Ben to be aggressive next year and score the ball. Assists are great... when you have other scorers.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 4:04 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:I agree that Victor should be mentioned but how can you put any importance on Robinson who never got in a game after mid-season until it is actually proven on the court?
It's just cringe worthy of how poorly written these pre-season ESPN articles have been. The pre-season ranking article had no mention of Craig Victor or the distinct possibility Robinson could surprise a lot of people next season
Posted on 4/8/15 at 4:31 pm to PhillyFan1994
So there should be no doubt that ESPN doesn't care for LSU & hopes for the Tigers to fail on the big stage not just in football, but also in basketball.
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