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re: Do we have a final 4 quality basketball team next year?
Posted on 4/26/15 at 10:37 am to thibodauxtigah
Posted on 4/26/15 at 10:37 am to thibodauxtigah
We have a good mix of experienced vetersns and young elite talent, but I don't see final four unless one of our bigs develops a lot or we sign a guy who can immediately play defense and get rebounds. We will see though. It's going to be a fun, exciting season reguardless.
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 11:26 am to Dylan
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Do we have a final 4 quality basketball team next year? by DylanWe have a good mix of experienced vetersns and young elite talent, but I don't see final four unless one of our bigs develops a lot or we sign a guy who can immediately play defense and get rebounds. We will see though. It's going to be a fun, exciting season reguardless.
U agree Dylan. I think we will have enough guys who can score, especially with what Simmons brings. He sees the whole court and will draw enough attention to give our other scorers room and he will get them the ball in the right place at the right time.
But where will the rebounds come from. I have questions as to whether Elbert or Darcy will be able to develop enough to fill that void.
And I like Epps's upside but he's a bit slight and seems to be injured a lot. Can he be a rebounder?
I'd feel better if we filled that final schollie with someone who could grab rebounds and defend the post.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:13 pm to thibodauxtigah
As of now, I'd say no.
People keep talking up the new additions, but-
Simmons is an incoming freshman. If he replaces Martin (a first team all SEC player with some serious highlights), straight up, it would be nice. Let's wait until he actually does that. Remember, Fournette was also supposed to step in and be elite; he wasn't as good as Hill the year before.
Victor- you're asking him to also replace Mickey (another 1st team all SEC player). If he was that good, why did he transfer in the first place? I think people are really overestimating him.
People keep talking up the new additions, but-
Simmons is an incoming freshman. If he replaces Martin (a first team all SEC player with some serious highlights), straight up, it would be nice. Let's wait until he actually does that. Remember, Fournette was also supposed to step in and be elite; he wasn't as good as Hill the year before.
Victor- you're asking him to also replace Mickey (another 1st team all SEC player). If he was that good, why did he transfer in the first place? I think people are really overestimating him.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:29 pm to Scoob
Scoob-I would venture to say that Simmons will have a greater impact than Fournette simply because Simmons will CONTROL the ball. He does not have to rely on others to get him the ball. Simmons and Fournette BOTH are Elite, it's just one has control and the other doesn't.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:37 pm to TeamLSU
Freshman in basketball come in each year and have a big impact on the game. It isnt the same with football. I think Simmons can average 15/7/7 which will be a terrific year. Anybody expecting him to score 25 a game is setting the bar too high. I think if we sign Kasango to finish this class with the right matchups we can reach the final 4.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 2:44 pm to lsufan52224
Simmons is not a huge scorer. He plays a team game and passes the ball. But if he gets 7 assists a game that would not just be a big impact but incredible. Most elite point guards only average 5 to 6.
I think that with all of the double and triple teams Simmons will get, he will get fouled a lot. I think his scoring will depend a lot on how well he shoots free throws.
I think that with all of the double and triple teams Simmons will get, he will get fouled a lot. I think his scoring will depend a lot on how well he shoots free throws.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 3:12 pm to Tom Bronco
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Simmons is not a huge scorer. He plays a team game and passes the ball. But if he gets 7 assists a game that would not just be a big impact but incredible. Most elite point guards only average 5 to 6.
Yes, for those who have not seen him play, I understand the expectation is that as the No. 1 recruit and a kid many draftniks say would have been a top 2 or 3 pick, is that he's a scorer.
He can and will score but his biggest strength is his versatility and high BB IQ. He can handle the ball like a guard, and sees the court very well and not only does he see it well, he gets the ball to the right people at the right time.
He needs to work on his perimeter jumper, but from all I've seen and heard I have no doubt he will.
I know we've all been burned over-expecting, but this kid is the real deal IMHO. Mickey and Martin were good players for us as frosh for the most part. I just think Simmons is a different kind of player and on a different level as a frosh.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 4:38 pm to thibodauxtigah
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Do we have a final 4 quality basketball team next year?
Posted on 4/26/15 at 7:21 pm to thibodauxtigah
I am going on record. LSU 2016 National Champions. I have seen Simmons play in person. He is NBA ready. Blakeney is the real deal. Next year is our shot. Let's take advantage of it. 
Posted on 4/26/15 at 7:27 pm to Tom Bronco
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Simmons is not a huge scorer.
He absolutely is, just because he also looks to pass doesnt make him NOT a huge scorer. Simmons still averaged damn near 30 points per game this year on the best high school team in the country with a handful of Div-I signees.
I hate to use this comparison but he is very very similar to Lebron. He can drop pretty much whatever he wants whenever he wants but is so good with the ball in his hands is more than capable of getting everyone else involved and with to the attention on him can put up PG assist numbers.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 7:31 pm to lsufan52224
Make the tourney, win a game or two.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 9:38 pm to Scoob
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Victor- you're asking him to also replace Mickey (another 1st team all SEC player). If he was that good, why did he transfer in the first place? I think people are really overestimating him.
He is from Louisiana and his mom is sick.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:26 am to thibodauxtigah
We did this year!
Games we Lost but should have won this past season:
Clemson, Missouri, Texas A&M (x2), Auburn, Kentucky, and Auburn in SEC Tourney
That easily puts us at 29-4 Overall, 17-1 in SEC with a win over UK and another game added on after we beat AU.
Yes we lost those games but they weren't blowouts.
Clemson - We were winning most of the game and blew the lead in the final 90 seconds.
Missouri - Played terrible in second half and in OT. Had a 3 point lead and every single time they stretched it out, Missouri did something to fight its way back to a tie or lead. LSU could not finish them off and it ended up costing them a win they should have gotten from a struggling Missouri team.
Texas A&M (1) - Up 8 in second half, failed to make a shot for three days. Went cold and suffered a loss when they should have finished this one out for a W.
Texas A&M (2) - Up by 13 in secon half, just could not finish this one either!
Auburn - Close game from start to finish but LSU should have won at home against a bad AU team.
Kentucky - We trailed 18 with 10 minutes to go and came back to take a six point lead. It was the best basketball they played this season and showed that they could beat anyone in the country.
Auburn (SEC Tourney) - Up 8 with less than 3 minutes to play...
NC State (NCAA Tourney) - Up 16 in second half, did not make a FG in the final 10 minutes of the game! WOW! (We deserved to lose this one actually)
But my point is simple, this team gets a little luck and plays a little better, they end up a 2-3 NCAA tourney seed and who knows.
Games we Lost but should have won this past season:
Clemson, Missouri, Texas A&M (x2), Auburn, Kentucky, and Auburn in SEC Tourney
That easily puts us at 29-4 Overall, 17-1 in SEC with a win over UK and another game added on after we beat AU.
Yes we lost those games but they weren't blowouts.
Clemson - We were winning most of the game and blew the lead in the final 90 seconds.
Missouri - Played terrible in second half and in OT. Had a 3 point lead and every single time they stretched it out, Missouri did something to fight its way back to a tie or lead. LSU could not finish them off and it ended up costing them a win they should have gotten from a struggling Missouri team.
Texas A&M (1) - Up 8 in second half, failed to make a shot for three days. Went cold and suffered a loss when they should have finished this one out for a W.
Texas A&M (2) - Up by 13 in secon half, just could not finish this one either!
Auburn - Close game from start to finish but LSU should have won at home against a bad AU team.
Kentucky - We trailed 18 with 10 minutes to go and came back to take a six point lead. It was the best basketball they played this season and showed that they could beat anyone in the country.
Auburn (SEC Tourney) - Up 8 with less than 3 minutes to play...
NC State (NCAA Tourney) - Up 16 in second half, did not make a FG in the final 10 minutes of the game! WOW! (We deserved to lose this one actually)
But my point is simple, this team gets a little luck and plays a little better, they end up a 2-3 NCAA tourney seed and who knows.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 5:14 am to thibodauxtigah
No, but the added depth should bring more than one-and-done in the conference and NCAA tourneys.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 5:41 am to Dalosaqy
don't really have enough/any talented big men to make the final 4 but Jones is a very under rated x/o's coach so I think he makes it work and we make some noise in the tourney. Maybe final 4 maybe title. Look at roster and don't see the talent to make it but with JOnes as coach I feel more confident that we can anyway.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 7:53 am to TeamLSU
quote:So having Okafor was just "fine" for Duke?
Having quality big men are fine, but Duke don't win the natty WITHOUT GREAT guard play.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 8:33 am to RipEffect
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Team yes, coach no.
So, I take it that this will stick around even after LSU makes an elite 8 or better, much like the Miles haters.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:02 am to boxcar willie
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but Jones is a very under rated x/o's coach so I think he makes it work and we make some noise in the tourney.
really? What in the world have you seen that leads you to this conclusion???
Look, Jones is a great recruiter and the program is in much better shape than when he took over. But his game-day coaching is not good.
Yes, recruiting is extremely important and a team can't win consistently without elite talent, but we also need high quality x and o's to truly get us where we want to be. And that's lacking. Maybe the new assistant coach can help, but we had Musselman last year and I don't think Jones utilized him nearly enough. Hope that doesn't happen again.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:57 am to atltiger6487
Not with Mickey and Martin leaving... and the youth.
Future is bright though.
Future is bright though.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 10:15 am to boxcar willie
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but Jones is a very under rated x/o's coach
Yeahhh, no he's not. The guy can recruit his socks off but he gives a little TOO much player "freedom" in most everyone's opinion. At some points in games you just gotta coach and that's where he typically has his shortcomings. Getting the talent here is the biggest hurdle though and he's conquered that...but for every good late game move he's had we've had to painstakingly see about 5x as many big leads get wiped out due to not taking a TO during a team's big run.
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