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re: Did Romero do enough Sunday to send Pap to the bench?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:48 am to LSUGrad9295
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:48 am to LSUGrad9295
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:49 am to More beer please
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Yeah except those 1-2 hits are usually accompanied by 1-2 runs
This is where I am leaning. Not that my opinion matters, but knowing CPM, he'd rather have a better defense.
Question: Andy takes care of hitting, Dunn takes care of pitching, is it CPM who's responsible for fielding which is why he'd rather have Pap in the game?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:41 am to lsupride87
Last night I was arguing for Papierski Friday and Saturday and Romero Sunday and weekday. But looking at all the information I've switched sides.
Romero caught 2.2 innings for Lange against Auburn and calmed him down when he was wild earlier.
The 90 point difference in BA is just too much to still justify Papierski starting every game. I think we should start Papierski against weekday and Sunday until his bat hopefully comes around a little.
Also, this team is 9-1 when Romero starts at catcher.
Romero caught 2.2 innings for Lange against Auburn and calmed him down when he was wild earlier.
The 90 point difference in BA is just too much to still justify Papierski starting every game. I think we should start Papierski against weekday and Sunday until his bat hopefully comes around a little.
Also, this team is 9-1 when Romero starts at catcher.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:42 am to RB10
quote:How so? All I stated was that he has a better pop time, and I'm not sold on Paps being that much better defensively. I didn't state anything about accuracy.
Hasn't Pap thrown out a higher percentage of runners on many more attempts?
ETA: He has. That kind of shits on your entire statement.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:48 am to 9th Green At 9
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How so? All I stated was that he has a better pop time, and I'm not sold on Paps being that much better defensively. I didn't state anything about accuracy.
"Romero may have a problem throwing it to the pitcher, but he has a WAY better pop time to 2nd base than Paps"
Nothing you've said is backed up with any proof. In fact, the numbers indicate the opposite. If Romero does have a better time it certainly isn't "way" better. It would be negligible, at best.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:55 am to RB10
quote:LINK
Nothing you've said is backed up with any proof
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“Romero throws as good as anybody you’ll ever see,” Mainieri said. “His pop times are ridiculous, big league level."
quote:This article was back on October 24th, but I read something at the beginning of February that stated Romero's pop time was averaging 1.81 and Paps was 1.88. Gimme some time and I'll find more "proof"
A pop time, calculated when runners try to steal, is the time from when a pitch hits - or pops - a catcher’s mitt to the time the catcher’s throw pops a middle infielder’s glove covering second. LSU volunteer assistant and catching coach Will Davis said Romero’s pop times sit around 1.85-1.95 seconds while Papierski clocks in around 1.88-1.98."
ETA: For reference, Davis said Scivicque’s pop times were around 1.95 in games last season
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:04 am to 9th Green At 9
So you just linked more proof that Romero's time isn't "way" better than Pap's?
Thanks.
ETA: I don't understand why people can't just admit they don't mind sacrificing a bit of defense to get Romero in the lineup. No one is going to argue that it's a bad move.
You don't have to justify it by trying to prove that Romero is just as good as Pap behind the plate.
Thanks.
ETA: I don't understand why people can't just admit they don't mind sacrificing a bit of defense to get Romero in the lineup. No one is going to argue that it's a bad move.
You don't have to justify it by trying to prove that Romero is just as good as Pap behind the plate.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:09 am to RB10
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Honestly, I don't think there's a right or wrong call, it's just a preference. Some coaches are willing to go with the better hitter and sacrifice a bit on the defensive side, some are not.
CPM is apparently one of the latter.
The starting pitcher for the game might have something to say in the matter also. Some guys like being caught by certain guys. If it is a close decision I would want my starter to be comfortable with the guy behind the plate first and foremost.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:13 am to RB10
Ahh, ok. We can keep changing argument points until you find one that fits. I gave you the proof you said that I didn't have.
Again, give me some time and I will find the article from February.
Ciao
Again, give me some time and I will find the article from February.
Ciao
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:14 am to 9th Green At 9
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Ahh, ok. I gave you the proof you said that I didn't have.
You gave me proof that Romero is better. Not "way" better like you want to claim.
.03 is right on the cusp of negligible. Just FYI.
ETA: I don't need to "find one that fits". .03 seconds from home to 2nd is not "way" better, like you tried to claim. Sorry.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:15 am to RB10
quote:Debatable, but .07 is not
.03 is right on the cusp of negligible. Just FYI.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:16 am to 9th Green At 9
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Debatable, but .07 is not
Where are you getting this from?
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Romero’s pop times sit around 1.85-1.95 seconds while Papierski clocks in around 1.88-1.98
1.88 - 1.85 = .03
1.98 - 1.95 = .03
Average: .03
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:18 am to RB10
An article that I read in February. I remember those numbers exact. I'll have to find the article.
Can we at least agree that we want Romero catching?
Can we at least agree that we want Romero catching?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:20 am to 9th Green At 9
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An article that I read in February. I remember those numbers exact. I'll have to find the article.
Well, from the article you actually linked, the difference is .03.
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Can we at least agree that we want Romero catching?
Not really. I've said I wouldn't sacrifice the defense, but that's just me. I won't argue with anyone who says Romero should be the starter though.
I will argue with anyone who says he's as good a defensive catcher, because they're wrong.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:25 am to RB10
quote:As I clearly stated in the above comments, but I also stated that there was another article that I read in February that showed the drastic differences.
Well, from the article you actually linked, the difference is .03.
quote:Romero's defense is less vulnerable than Paps hitting...if that makes any sense
Not really. I've said I wouldn't sacrifice the defense, but that's just me. I won't argue with anyone who says Romero should be the starter though.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:25 am to nicholastiger
Easy to say when he didn't get a chance. He is a better hitter than Pap against r or l handed pitching
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:26 am to Tshiz
Problem with that is PAP is a much better defensive catcher. That counts for a lot also.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:29 am to 9th Green At 9
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Romero's defense is less vulnerable than Paps hitting...if that makes any sense
It makes total sense to me, which is why I wouldn't argue against Romero starting.
I played ball for a coach in HS that believed a good defensive catcher was more important than a mediocre catcher that could swing the stick. It's been ingrained in me to think that way, which is why I'd go with Pap.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:35 am to RB10
Perhaps there is another variable here: Don't most teams start on Friday nights (or the first game of a series) with their strongest pitcher? If true, Pap has batted against the best that teams can offer. Has Romero? Romero looks good against the "rest of the staff" but would he fare as good going against the better (or best) pitchers on the team?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:36 am to RB10
I've said all year that Pap is good enough defensively to keep him in the lineup as long as he is hitting in the .250-.270 range. Unfortunately he is below that at the moment while the other guy is hitting very well. You can't really justify his defense being that much better when his average is in the .230's. They both should play wouldn't mind Romero starting most game and if you are leading 7th-8th inning you can put Pap in as a defensive replacement in some games. Options at any position is not a a bad thing in baseball.
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