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re: D. Hunter 4.57 officially.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 1:22 pm to TheChosenOne
Posted on 2/22/15 at 1:22 pm to TheChosenOne
Chavis bullshite scheme was part of the problem. Not a lot I would say though. He had them drop into coverage sometimes much like Pelini did before him. I never like those styles of defense. I prefer attackin defenses allowing the players to use their athletcism and play makin abilty. But most of the problem to me was lack of pass rush moves. And that falls on Brick Haley. Mingo got to the QB off a pure speed rush something Hunter wasn't good at or he would have done the same. And Sam Montgomery got to the QB off of pure bullrushing. I've watched DE's, pass rushers under Haley and none of them show spin moves or a swim move, inside outside rushes. None of that! And that's how you beat these fat arse OLinemen.
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Posted on 2/22/15 at 1:27 pm to TheChosenOne
Chavis hasn't coached at LSU for the last century.
I want you to not blame the scheme. He wasn't a good pass rusher, bottom line. Other players have been productive in it rushing the passer.
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I've already said Hunter was a poor pass rusher 4 times now. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to say there.
I want you to not blame the scheme. He wasn't a good pass rusher, bottom line. Other players have been productive in it rushing the passer.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 1:32 pm to Lester Earl
Alright, never mind. You are that dense.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 1:46 pm to redfish99
Hunter was a good run defender, and he found ways to disrupt the backfield (his TFL's reflect that). There's value there. I'm not sure staying another year under Orgeron would've helped him become a much better sack guy.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:04 pm to tigers32
He played well against the run at times, but when we really needed a sack to clinch the game. He was no where to be found. Not trying to bash the kid, just trying to be objective.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:07 pm to TheChosenOne
quote:it doesn't? So Chavis produced two of the best pass rush seasons in our history, and it is irrelevant because folks say it is and is scheme
Top 10 in LSU history doesn't matter
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didn't lead to prolific sack totals
The reason Hunter didn't get to the QB, is because he could not get to the QB. He rushed the passer plenty of times and got to them 4 times in a career.
And given the record QB rush yards against us...I cant say it was because of a containment scheme. If that is the case, wow. I am not sure what coach can be blamed.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:16 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
Lester's right IMO. Hunter wasn't a good pass rusher here, and I doubt he'll become one. That's not his game though. His athleticism and ability to defend the run are his strengths.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:22 pm to drexyl
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He still should have stayed.
Don't get me started. It's not like the guy didn't see how bad of a choice leaving early was for our two best DTs just last year AND how much of a void was felt by the entire team when the DL should have been a strength.
Maybe Chavis just got tired of developing stars and not reaping any of the benefits?
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:23 pm to DBU
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Likely the next Vernon Gholston unfortunately
WOW! LSU fans are a special breed. By the way, Russell Shepard will never make an NFL team.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:43 pm to tigerfoot
No, it's irrelevant because football has evolved over time. First off, sacks weren't an official stat until 2000. Most sack statistics prior to that aren't even cited because many of them are incorrect. Secondly, the game itself has evolved so you have to look at stats relative to that era. Compared to other DEs in college FB during the period that those guys played, thier sack totals are just above average. shite, they were top 10 in LSU history yet there were 20+ guys with more sacks than them in that season alone. Mingo and Montgomery would have had 12-14 sacks if they played In a different scheme.
Finally, Hunter didn't get to the QB because he wasn't a good pass rusher. I've said he wasn't a good pash rusher multiple times now.
Finally, Hunter didn't get to the QB because he wasn't a good pass rusher. I've said he wasn't a good pash rusher multiple times now.
This post was edited on 2/22/15 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:51 pm to GeauxLSU4
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Mayock said the same thing about him needing to stay. He has all the measureables, but on field production doesn't match
Hunter was very productive in 2014. You have to consider what he was asked to do. We rarely blitzed, and our pass rushers were almost always outnumbered by two blockers. Chavis liked to play conservatively, and you're not going to get a lot of sacks that way.
You can say that Mingo had better stats, but he had elite DTs next to him. They ate up blockers and collapsed the pocket allowing Mingo to get more sacks.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 3:03 pm to KG5989
The only problem is this class is loaded with pass rushers. Don't really blame him for leaving, but staying wouldn't have hurt either.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 4:50 pm to Brageous
Good for him but he was useless in the defense this past year
Posted on 2/22/15 at 5:08 pm to CP3LSU25
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Good for him but he was useless in the defense this past year
Really?
Posted on 2/22/15 at 5:15 pm to TheChosenOne
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Finally, Hunter didn't get to the QB because he wasn't a good pass rusher. I've said he wasn't a good pash rusher multiple times now.
I have to agree with that. Just doesn't show much instinct for it. Not sure how staying another year would have helped him. He'll get drafted and make an NFL team but it is hard for me to see his ceiling as being anyting more than average in the NFL. He is pretty strong against the run considering his lack of size however.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 5:33 pm to TheChosenOne
quote:based on? Their 4 combined NFL sacks?
Mingo and Montgomery would have had 12-14 sacks if they played In a different scheme.
This post was edited on 2/22/15 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 2/22/15 at 5:41 pm to tigerfoot
I find all this sack-crying very humorous. He's going to get paid. Support him you nit-picking spoiled fans.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 5:54 pm to Dr. Shultz
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The guy who is 6"4 and 255 lbs that runs a 4.5 40 isnt coordinated?
Straight line speed doesnt show agility and coordination.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 6:01 pm to TheChosenOne
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Chavis' scheme was never going to lead to a prolific 12+ sack count.
Chavis's scheme doesnt keep you from getting sacks but the rotation and sub packages do.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 6:03 pm to TheChosenOne
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First off, sacks weren't an official stat until 2000.
try 1982.
LSU has put a lot of great college DL's into the NFL.
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