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re: Criticism of CLM
Posted on 10/17/12 at 5:20 am to White Tiger
Posted on 10/17/12 at 5:20 am to White Tiger
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Let's face it, if LSU cannot beat Alabama and win the BCS this year, it will be a huge disappointment
Maybe so, but expecting to do it year in and year out is just ridiculous. Some of the guys I was tailgating with were discussing this very topic. People's expectations for the Tigers are simply too unrealistic. I'll be disappointed with anything less than an SEC championship, but I do not expect that to happen every year, much less a national championship. Not because I don't think the team is capable of such feats, but because that is just simply unrealistic. Saban and Bama alone are reason enough to not expect it to happen every year. On the other hand, Bama fans can't expect it to happen every year either simply because LSU is going to be knocking on the door every year also. That being said, this is the golden age of football, and I can't stand it when people can't enjoy it because they're too busy crying that Miles is a bad coach or something along those lines.
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And some people won't be happy with the offense until we're an air raid team. Personally, I couldn't care less how we win, as long as we win. If that means 300 yards rushing in every game from here on out, so be it. I've grown to enjoy watching Copeland and our big backs pounding the rock all game long. I know that if I want to see brutal hits, just watch the fullback
I do wish the passing game was a little more effective, but I think it will come along. This post was edited on 10/17/12 at 5:28 am
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Posted on 10/17/12 at 6:51 am to la_birdman
Birdman, this is about winning championships. No one remembers the other stuff.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 8:17 am to White Tiger
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Let's face it, if LSU cannot beat Alabama and win the BCS this year, it will be a huge disappointment.
You sir, are an insufferable pessimist.
LSU is 25-46-5 against Alabama. Do you know how many LSU coaches have registered a winning record against Alabama? Exactly 3 - Bill Arnsparger (2-0-1), Nick Saban (4-1) and Les Miles (5-3).
Do you know how many LSU coaches have registered consecutive wins against Alabama? Exactly 4 - Gaynell Tinsley, Charles McClendon, Nick Saban and Les Miles.
Miles is a mere 3-3 against Saban, since he took the Bama job. How are other coaches doing against the angry little man from West Virginia?
This post was edited on 10/17/12 at 8:18 am
Posted on 10/17/12 at 8:47 am to BeeFense5
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You continue to be a massive fricking pussy
Posted on 10/17/12 at 8:56 am to Ace Midnight
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Miles is a mere 3-3 against Saban, since he took the Bama job. How are other coaches doing against the angry little man from West Virginia?
Again, that is great as it is, but it lacks the all important BCS bragging rights. Why so hostile?
Posted on 10/17/12 at 8:57 am to White Tiger
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but it lacks the all important BCS bragging rights
Miles is 2-1 in BCS bowl games in only 7 years.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 9:02 am to Hulkklogan
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Maybe so, but expecting to do it year in and year out is just ridiculous.
I do not recall saying it should happen every year. Last year was a big chance, but LSU got dealt a very bad hand. We all know how the coaching staff did with that opportunity and that is exactly why I inveigh, to the Rantards chagrin.
You can say that CLM/LSU has the misfortune of being in the same conference with the gumps, but that does not look to change soon. So, if Miles cannot take the team to a BCS championship because he fumbles games to Saban, then he will be open to criticism.
Like you, I do not care how the offense works so long as it does. Lately, it has not worked often.
This post was edited on 10/17/12 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/17/12 at 9:04 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Miles is 2-1 in BCS bowl games in only 7 years.
The thread refers only to championships, but thanks for your post anyway.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 9:21 am to White Tiger
So, WhiteTiger, the only thing that matters, your bottom line, is winning national championships. And in that context, your god is ahead, unarguable. But now you've gone from ripping CLM for the way he handles & loses games he's supposed to win to not winning enuff NC's. And you are only using the past 3 yrs as your proof. Be patient, CLM will get us there again & he's proven he can win the big game/s over & over again. He lost one last yr, certainly. Your god lost to ULM at home. He lost to Iowa, UAB, Utah,O.Miss at home. And as for CLM losing to UK, check out UK's record that yr. They beat a lot of other SEC teams that yr, too. As a season ticket holder of over 50 yrs, I am very very content with LSU's current HC.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:08 am to Keltic Tiger
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And in that context, your god is ahead, unarguable.
Sabanistas gonna Saban.
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And as for CLM losing to UK, check out UK's record that yr.
Miles is certainly not beyond criticism. He made a terrible decision on Mallveto, sticking with Crowton too long, The Magnolia Meltdown, the Tennessee do-over, letting teams stay in games, requiring a record comeback against Troy, we could sit here and find points of agreement all day.
80 wins, a BCS championship, 2 SEC Championships a 13-0 regular season - do...not...just...happen. They have happened over the past 7 1/2 seasons because LSU, the athletic departement, the players, the institution, the fans, the boosters, the coaching staff, and most importantly Les Miles have done far, far, far more things correctly than incorrectly. When I mess up at my job, I don't have millions of people watching, many of them ready to go bitch about it on the internet (and thank G-d).
Granted, I don't make millions of dollars on my job. Neither do you Keltic - neither does White Tiger. Why do you think Les does and we don't? Luck? Politics? Or is it because he is an outstanding (not perfect - we use those different words for reasons) football coach...one of the best.
This post was edited on 10/17/12 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:17 am to Ace Midnight
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Or is it because he is an outstanding (not perfect - we use those different words for reasons) football coach...one of the best.
This is not in question and was addressed in the opening post of this thread. It is CLM v Saban. Thus far, Saban has the better of it. Hence, the inclination to find fault with CLM, if that is how one wishes to view it. Who would LSU replace him with? I know not and am not suggesting that that happen now. Just cannot accept with any satisfaction the current situation vis-a-vis the gumps.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:20 am to Keltic Tiger
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Be patient
No other choice at this point.
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CLM will get us there again
Would that this were true. I hope that it is. The improvement in the O-line against USCeast was remarkable. That needs to be a consistent phenomenon. This team should score a lot of points against A&M. A loss will be totally unacceptable.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:27 am to White Tiger
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Birdman, this is about winning championships. No one remembers the other stuff.
i guessing you just recently jumped on the bandwagon
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:28 am to White Tiger
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but it lacks the all important BCS bragging rights
LSU "BCS bragging rights" since 05:
2 BCSCG appearences
1 BCS title
3 BCS bowl games
The best record in BCS football for wins.
Nothing wrong with criticism, but criticism without a perspective which has a meaningful interrelationship bout LSU football and BCS/SEC football results/success since 05 and recently is just silly. imo
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:32 am to White Tiger
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Saban has done it by beating LSU-yes LSU got jobbed having to play them twice which makes it all the worse. Until he can beat Saban and win something for it, CLM will be in store for withering enfilades from Rantards. Oh, and if you are one of the fans who thinks being second best to Saban and the gumps is OK, then you probably think its OK to score a field goal after getting a fumble on the opponents 7 yard line.
i'm getting into this late but THE FACT IS THAT SOME OF OUR FANS ARE SABANITES. THEY ARE FANS OF NICK SABAN AND IDOLIZE HIM MORE THAN LSU FOOTBALL. i'm 100% convinced this is true; i've talked to too many of them. whatever saban does is right and whatever miles does is wrong. the sob's should just friggin' be bama fans and start openly wearing their gear, etc. i understand that not all fans that critisize miles are in this category so don't jump on me as to your "right" to critisize. but these SABANISTAS do exist and the best thing to do is ignore them since we can't deport them. they are the NOT FANS OF LSU.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:46 am to LSU GrandDad
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they are the NOT FANS OF LSU.
More than just a couple who post here under "LSU fan" cover are not fans of LSU.
The next time they cheer for LSU will be their 1st time to cheer for LSU.
That's just life on sports forums and call in shows.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:52 am to Lonnie4LSU
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More than just a couple who post here under "LSU fan" cover are not fans of LSU. The next time they cheer for LSU will be their 1st time to cheer for LSU. That's just life on sports forums and call in shows.
i believe you. isn't it pathetic? obviously these posters have nothing better to do. cowards that brag about starting shite anonymously. they reallly are worthless POS's.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 11:07 am to LSU GrandDad
GrandDad,
I am an LSU fan of many years. I do not like Saban and would not do business with him, if it matters. Watching the Capital One Bowl loss to IA and his exit from LSU (and later the Dolphins) says enough about Mr. Saban's character, imho. This is a big reason why CLM's miscues are difficult to take because Mr. Saban benefits.
I am an LSU fan of many years. I do not like Saban and would not do business with him, if it matters. Watching the Capital One Bowl loss to IA and his exit from LSU (and later the Dolphins) says enough about Mr. Saban's character, imho. This is a big reason why CLM's miscues are difficult to take because Mr. Saban benefits.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 11:15 am to White Tiger
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White Tiger
Perhaps it would help your perspective to realize the whole basis of your argument boils down to a difference of ONE GAME! A different result in the BCSNCG and you have no argument whatsoever right? A win in that ONEGAME and Miles is 4-2 against Saban, 2-1 in NCG's at their current schools and make all your current points moot.
So one game out of 100 for Miles...do better in ONE GAME and you're good. So lets look at that game. Saban at the height of his powers with his best team to date. Saban was holding ALL the cards in that ONE GAME. He had an actual QB to work with. His team was much more mature, with a defense that was one of the best ever fielded and one other important factor going for it....the EMOTIONAL advantage! They got an unprecedented chance for a do over in the BCSNCG after having stewed for 3 months over the loss LSU and LES MILES handed them in BDS!
This situation has always favored the first game loser in the history of football. In a game between evenly matched teams and coaches...a motivational advantage is the BIGGEST factor in determining a winner.
Even if you don't agree with my assessment of the title game, that fact remains that you are quibbling over ONE GAME to determine that CLM is less than Saban. What was your assessment of the two after LSU beat Bama in consecutive games in 2010 and 2011? Those games were "for all the marbles" as far as Bama was concerned. They were in contention for national titles before the kickoff of both of those games and CLM and LSU outcoached and outplayed them and crushed their dreams those two days. You have conveniently forgotten the momentous victories those were because you focus on the negative and downplay the positive. THAT is why you have a Saban and Bama inferiority complex.
There, you should be cured now,you owe me 5 cents.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 11:21 am to Filmat11
Couldn't have said it better my self white tiger people confuse support and incompetence which is les miles i always felt lsu wins because of talent and not coaching. Les and his staff are great recruiters but watching the game i always feel like something is missing.
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