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re: Coach O - The "Proof is in the Pudding" Assessment.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:30 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:30 am to Rickdaddy4188
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its become pretty clear youre ok with results worse than Miles tenure as long as miles isn't the coach.
Nailed it .
That's the prevailing indication with quite a few.
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:32 am to LosTigres25
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LosTigres25
What he said.
I think O has done what most halfway decent interims would've done. So i'll give him a C+/B- at this point.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:39 am to jimmy the leg
" how big of a shite show "
Since when did a top 20 ranking and the 3rd highest ranked SEC team as we were in 2015, equate to a "shite show"?? Not what we want, but "shite show" is a ridiculous assessment. imo
The LSU defense played lights out . I don't care who the opponent is, but when you prevent them from running a play inside the LSU territory you have done an outstanding job.
While I understand the concept of playing to your strength, I did have an expectation of seeing more of a passing game.
Overall, I was very pleased. While I was pleased with the overall effort and performance, I think we need to take into consideration that BYU, based of two games, seems to be a mediocre football program this year.
Since when did a top 20 ranking and the 3rd highest ranked SEC team as we were in 2015, equate to a "shite show"?? Not what we want, but "shite show" is a ridiculous assessment. imo
The LSU defense played lights out . I don't care who the opponent is, but when you prevent them from running a play inside the LSU territory you have done an outstanding job.
While I understand the concept of playing to your strength, I did have an expectation of seeing more of a passing game.
Overall, I was very pleased. While I was pleased with the overall effort and performance, I think we need to take into consideration that BYU, based of two games, seems to be a mediocre football program this year.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:40 am to clamdip
quote:"Interim doesn't count, he's not actually running the program."
Fat Goebbels doin' work.
I still don't see how Aranda (already on staff) shutting down Louisville in a bowl game somehow proves Coach Ogre's pudding.
So when he's actually running the program, it still doesn't count?
Oh, and what happened to "Aranda is going to go with Herman, so if we don't hire Herman Aranda is gone!". I'm 'member that narrative.
And to the poster who said he needs to see conference hardware to say "bang up job"... agreed. SEC-W finishes were the sole metric I measured Miles by. Same goes for CEO. I do like the moves and trajectory though. Not only should he be given time to Win the West, he's now earned that time with everything between and including the Louisville game last year and BYU game this year. Yes, the interim period doesn't count for that; he doesn't need it. Earned it anyway.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:59 am to BayouBengal99
This isnt about Miles. Im all for Coach O. If hes not ready at this point in his career and with being handed this gold mine, then he'll never be ready. Lets just keep in mind, he inherited one of the all time great gigs in the history of the sport. And if you cant understand that, oh well thats your issue.
He went 6-2. When has that been great? 4-2 in conference. Scored 10 points in 2 HOME SEC losses. Only the Sugar Bowl at risk against Florida, a 2 TD favorite at HOME! And loses.
This is great? And he gets an A across the board from the original OP and the proof is in the pudding? Please...
Some of you want to give him credit for everything that happened good and no responsibility for anything that happened bad. Its like he took over at Ole fricking Miss and went 6-2 and kept all the recruits. Be a pumper. Thats your choice.
What did you expect? When he took the job, that all the players and coaches were going to lay down on him?
That he would lose all the recruits that he was the recruiting coordinator for and half of the games against one of the easiest SEC schedule in recent memory with a loaded roster full of NFl draft picks?
What 3 first rounders last yr probably 3 more this yr and 2 Sr ILB's.
Oh I forgot he beat BYU.
He was already on the staff had inside knowledge of the entire program including coaches and players. He took over a loaded roster and had the schedule of:
Missouri (4-8) In B. R.
Southern Miss (7-6) in B.R.
Mississippi (5-7) in B.R.
Alabama (14-1)shut out in B.R.
Arkansas (7-6) away
Florida (9-4) in B.R.
Texas A&M ( 8-5 ) away and had just lost the last 2 SEC games to Ole Miss and Miss St.
If you dont think there are 50 coaches that were already on the staff with last years team couldve went 6-2 against that schedule fine, Have it your way. Pump the fuk away.
He went 6-2. When has that been great? 4-2 in conference. Scored 10 points in 2 HOME SEC losses. Only the Sugar Bowl at risk against Florida, a 2 TD favorite at HOME! And loses.
This is great? And he gets an A across the board from the original OP and the proof is in the pudding? Please...
Some of you want to give him credit for everything that happened good and no responsibility for anything that happened bad. Its like he took over at Ole fricking Miss and went 6-2 and kept all the recruits. Be a pumper. Thats your choice.
What did you expect? When he took the job, that all the players and coaches were going to lay down on him?
That he would lose all the recruits that he was the recruiting coordinator for and half of the games against one of the easiest SEC schedule in recent memory with a loaded roster full of NFl draft picks?
What 3 first rounders last yr probably 3 more this yr and 2 Sr ILB's.
Oh I forgot he beat BYU.
He was already on the staff had inside knowledge of the entire program including coaches and players. He took over a loaded roster and had the schedule of:
Missouri (4-8) In B. R.
Southern Miss (7-6) in B.R.
Mississippi (5-7) in B.R.
Alabama (14-1)shut out in B.R.
Arkansas (7-6) away
Florida (9-4) in B.R.
Texas A&M ( 8-5 ) away and had just lost the last 2 SEC games to Ole Miss and Miss St.
If you dont think there are 50 coaches that were already on the staff with last years team couldve went 6-2 against that schedule fine, Have it your way. Pump the fuk away.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:09 am to LosTigres25
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This isnt about Miles. Im all for Coach O. If hes not ready at this point in his career and with being handed this gold mine, then he'll never be ready. Lets just keep in mind, he inherited one of the all time great gigs in the history of the sport. And if you cant understand that, oh well thats your issue.
He went 6-2. When has that been great? 4-2 in conference. Scored 10 points in 2 HOME SEC losses. Only the Sugar Bowl at risk against Florida, a 2 TD favorite at HOME! And loses.
This is great? And he gets an A across the board from the original OP and the proof is in the pudding? Please...
Some of you want to give him credit for everything that happened good and no responsibility for anything that happened bad. Its like he took over at Ole fricking Miss and went 6-2 and kept all the recruits. Be a pumper. Thats your choice.
What did you expect? When he took the job, that all the players and coaches were going to lay down on him?
That he would lose all the recruits that he was the recruiting coordinator for and half of the games against one of the easiest SEC schedule in recent memory with a loaded roster full of NFl draft picks?
What 3 first rounders last yr probably 3 more this yr and 2 Sr ILB's.
Oh I forgot he beat BYU.
He was already on the staff had inside knowledge of the entire program including coaches and players. He took over a loaded roster and had the schedule of:
Missouri (4-8) In B. R.
Southern Miss (7-6) in B.R.
Mississippi (5-7) in B.R.
Alabama (14-1)shut out in B.R.
Arkansas (7-6) away
Florida (9-4) in B.R.
Texas A&M ( 8-5 ) away and had just lost the last 2 SEC games to Ole Miss and Miss St.
If you dont think there are 50 coaches that were already on the staff with last years team couldve went 6-2 against that schedule fine, Have it your way. Pump the fuk away.
but I do like what I saw Saturday. not saying you didn't
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:17 am to I20goon
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And to the poster who said he needs to see conference hardware to say "bang up job"... agreed. SEC-W finishes were the sole metric I measured Miles by. Same goes for CEO. I do like the moves and trajectory though. Not only should he be given time to Win the West, he's now earned that time with everything between and including the Louisville game last year and BYU game this year. Yes, the interim period doesn't count for that; he doesn't need it. Earned it anyway.
I myself give O credit just like I gave miles the credit but when O publicly states he is just gonna get out of the way, youre gonna have some fans that wont gove him credit.
i feel id be a huge hypocritic if I didn't give O the credit for lsu's success because he damn sure would get the blame if it went bad
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:24 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Since when did a top 20 ranking and the 3rd highest ranked SEC team as we were in 2015, equate to a "shite show"?? Not what we want, but "shite show" is a ridiculous assessment. imo
like I said earlier, had the mcneese game been played we have at least 10 wins 2010, 2011,2012,2013,&2015.
10 wins isnt some epic finish but it's absurd to say that is a shite show.
people that deem 2010-2015 as a shite show couldn't have made it as a lsu fan in the early 90's.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:34 am to ROPO
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Hauled in a great recruiting class...YEAH BUT, he was on staff already so that's not a big deal...YEAH BUT he pitched to Alleva that he would do THAT
It was our lowest ranked class since 2012. I'm not saying it wasnt a really good class, but we lost 7/10 top LA recruits. Thats unheard of.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:43 am to LosTigres25
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LosTigres25
You're killing it man. It's like i dont even need to post anything else.
ETA - I actually liked the progress/efficiency we played with Saturday.
I'm not ready to give Canada an A based on one game where we really didnt do anything special. I'm still of the opinion that we've built him up based on his 1 season at Pitt (which was really good). But no one is looking at his last 11 years as an OC.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:01 am to Rickdaddy4188
" 10 wins isnt in epic "
I agree, but averaging 10 wins for 11 years is something no other SEC football program was able to do. One has to be college football mentally challenged to see 10 wins while playing in the SEC as a shite show. Some people in sports have a tendency to allow their emotions to override their common sense.
Coach O is 2-0 as the LSU football coach as I see it. While I have some concerns about the future, I couldn't have asked for much more in his first two games as LSU head football coach.
I agree, but averaging 10 wins for 11 years is something no other SEC football program was able to do. One has to be college football mentally challenged to see 10 wins while playing in the SEC as a shite show. Some people in sports have a tendency to allow their emotions to override their common sense.
Coach O is 2-0 as the LSU football coach as I see it. While I have some concerns about the future, I couldn't have asked for much more in his first two games as LSU head football coach.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:17 am to Lonnie4LSU
10 wins is most definitely NOT a shite show.
And yeah, consider 2015 a 10 win season all day.
However, 2015 for example, we finished 4th in the West (losing 3rd place tie breaker with AR). So figure us 7th place in the SEC overall instead of 8th. Right at the 50% mark.
All I'm getting at is metrics for success did, and should have, changed for Miles. Which by the way established the expectations for CEO. No argument there.
So when you say the proof is in the pudding... which pudding. Small cup of tapioca, or cake bowl full of chocolate.
CEO won't be alone in this, hell, it was a factor in Miles' downfall- the better you do, the more is expected of you. We've almost all experienced that. It's just life.
And yeah, consider 2015 a 10 win season all day.
However, 2015 for example, we finished 4th in the West (losing 3rd place tie breaker with AR). So figure us 7th place in the SEC overall instead of 8th. Right at the 50% mark.
All I'm getting at is metrics for success did, and should have, changed for Miles. Which by the way established the expectations for CEO. No argument there.
So when you say the proof is in the pudding... which pudding. Small cup of tapioca, or cake bowl full of chocolate.
CEO won't be alone in this, hell, it was a factor in Miles' downfall- the better you do, the more is expected of you. We've almost all experienced that. It's just life.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:37 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Coach O is 2-0 as the LSU football coach as I see it. While I have some concerns about the future, I couldn't have asked for much more in his first two games as LSU head football coach.
Exactly where i'm at.
But is has and always will come down to how we do vs Bama, Auburn, and UF.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 11:39 am
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:03 pm to LosTigres25
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Some of you want to give him credit for everything that happened good and no responsibility for anything that happened bad.
And some do precisely the opposite.
You make some valid points. This is not personal about you.
My beef is with fans who refuse to acknowledge that he's done a good job. I mean, don't we want a coach who is doing a good job? Won't having a coach who is doing a good job attract the kind of recruits we all want to come to LSU? If you answer yes to both, yet refuse to acknowledge that O is doing a good job thus far, what exactly are you trying to do?
There are plenty of skeptics out there on O and that's fine. The best thing for LSU is for O to prove the skeptics wrong, which won't happen overnight. But my god, give the man a chance and acknowledge that he has done well thus far. You don't need to be a "pumper" but we really don't need a bunch of fans dissing the coach for what each passing day seems to suggest is their disappointment in the decision to hire him.
O should and does have a short leash. But let's get behind him and give him that leash.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:59 pm to prplngldtigr
quote:
That's the prevailing indication with quite a few.
Then, that quite a few are clueless retards.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:12 pm to THECEO
quote:This and your hair trigger declaration of yaw yaw's success is why this state sucks.
Proof-In-the-Bread-Pudding Grade = A.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:26 pm to BayouBengal99
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It's obvious that Orgeron spent lots of time on these guys in the offseason.
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It's funny that Coach Os first class is more mature then we've seen from a Les Miles class
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maybe O is much better at evaluating character with Athletic ability
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O was the recruiting coordinator so this wasn't all Les Miles recruits
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The way he turned that team around immediately is what sold me on him as HC of LSU.
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As I suspected, they were in tip top shape, faster, stronger, more technically sound, and more focused then I've ever seen a Les Miles team in the first game
The team looked really good against BYU last Saturday. Chattanooga won't be a problem and hopefully, the team plays well in the conference games.
That being said, when I read some of the posts from Tiger Ree and Space Cowboy and like the one I'm responding to from you, I have to wonder if the three of you aren't jockeying for position to land a contract from Orgeron as his PR firm.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:47 pm to THECEO
A DeLorean. Prefer a Porsche...
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:57 pm to ROPO
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My beef is with fans who refuse to acknowledge that he's done a good job.
I think he's done a good job so far, to a degree. I'm not in the same camp as the OP and some others who have posted in this thread though.
I'll admit that the team looked very focused as soon as Orgeron took over, but that happens to a lot of teams when the head coach or manager is replaced. I do believe however, that even if Miles was still in charge, LSU would have finished with the same won/loss record as O did and perhaps would have even won the Florida game.
Orgeron should be given credit for shortening the practices and keeping the players fresh for the games and changing the offensive philosophy.
On the other hand, like SportTiger1 posted, losing 7 of the top 10 Louisiana recruits is unheard of in recent history. It's disheartening (at least to me) for all the players who have left the program the past 6 months or so and now with all the suspensions, that's paints a bad picture.
Orgeron has done some very good things as the head coach, but some things aren't so good, in my opinion.
I'd give him a B on his overall performance the past 11 months.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:07 pm to ROPO
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My beef is with fans who refuse to acknowledge that he's done a good job. I mean, don't we want a coach who is doing a good job? Won't having a coach who is doing a good job attract the kind of recruits we all want to come to LSU? If you answer yes to both, yet refuse to acknowledge that O is doing a good job thus far, what exactly are you trying to do?
Why are you so consumed with getting fans to see things your way one game into the season? We don't know anything now. I'd at least wait until we play someone with a pulse.
Yeah if he'd stunk up the joint vs BYU his critics would've been out in full force. Such is the burden of being a head coach in major college football. All of them are under the same type of scrutiny.
Also, he doesn't need to be patted on the back for not stinking up the joint vs BYU. We're LSU, they're BYU. We were supposed to look dominant. You don't get credit for what you're supposed to do, taking from the Chris Rock bit.
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There are plenty of skeptics out there on O and that's fine. The best thing for LSU is for O to prove the skeptics wrong, which won't happen overnight. But my god, give the man a chance and acknowledge that he has done well thus far
Don't know what "give him a chance" means. I have no bearing on whether or not he gets a chance. He's the coach, he's acquired his chance. And if he produces results I'll acknowledge that.
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