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Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:56 pm to tom
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there are a disturbing number of fans that are fine with losing.
There's also an equally disturbing number of fans that think it's easy to win 10 or more games each and every year and make it to the playoffs every other year.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:58 pm to nitwit
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Let's dispense with the myth that Da Coach O is responsible for Aranda being on the staff. He was already here and Alleva made sure he stayed
Damn, I guess you did have more.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_b7d39386-b4cc-11e6-905c-27ef3ac0bcfa.html
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Ed Orgeron has delivered on his promise to keep defensive coordinator Dave Aranda.
Aranda agreed to a new three-year contract to remain with the Tigers, multiple sources told The Advocate on Monday — a momentous offseason victory for the program’s new full-time coach.
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Aranda's new contract is expected to keep him in Baton Rouge instead of with potential other suitors, including Texas.
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Aranda, whom former coach Les Miles hired away from Wisconsin last offseason to replace Kevin Steele, was part of a long-term plan Orgeron laid out to Alleva in his interview for the job Friday.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:10 pm to DeltaDoc
The entire LSU athletic department is a clown show..... nothing but bad times ahead and the only ppl who give a rats arse are the ones who can't make any decisions (fans).
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:14 pm to Tiger Ree
I love how O gets so much credit for Aranda when the guy was ALREADY HERE. The we made him the highest paid coordinator in all of college football. No crap he stayed 
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:16 pm to nitwit
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Ree, Did you actually READ my post?
I thought I did. Here they are:
Your first post:
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His efforts (and apparent belief that he could) hire Kiffin suggests to me that he is in over his head and is capable of terrible judgment on hiring matters.
Your second post:
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Kiffen would never consider Orgeron a peer, much less respect him as a head coach and it appears Kiffen allowed Da Coach O to get way down the road with the notion he might come to LSU at OC, with no intention to do so.
I highlighted the parts of your posts that make the quote from Kiffen salient. Kiffins said himself: Lane Kiffin was asked if he was really considering working with Coach Ed Orgeron at LSU last December. His answer? “I was, because I really think they’re going to win a lot there, and do great things.”
You say Kiffin wasn't, Lane Kiffin says he was. I think Kiffin knows more than you in this case.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:18 pm to RedTigerRulz
Orgeron wouldn't have been my first pick as the new head coach, but now that he is, I'll support him and his staff just like I did Miles, Saban, DiNardo and every coach before them.
I think he should at least be given the 5 years of his contract unless he does post a couple of 7-5 type season and if recruiting starts to slip.
We've gone 16 years since our last season with a losing record. It's been a great run yet it hasn't been good enough for some of the fans. After reading thru the first four pages of this thread, I find it funny that there are some people that have posted that a 10-3 record is now considered respectable and that 8 or 9 wins is now good and that it takes a whole team to win a championship. These are things that wouldn't be accepted from the previous coaching staff.
I think he should at least be given the 5 years of his contract unless he does post a couple of 7-5 type season and if recruiting starts to slip.
We've gone 16 years since our last season with a losing record. It's been a great run yet it hasn't been good enough for some of the fans. After reading thru the first four pages of this thread, I find it funny that there are some people that have posted that a 10-3 record is now considered respectable and that 8 or 9 wins is now good and that it takes a whole team to win a championship. These are things that wouldn't be accepted from the previous coaching staff.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:39 pm to earl keese
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8 or 9 wins
I think most people would take this in O's first year....but if its year 4 and we're stuck on 8 wins, there's a problem.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:40 pm to earl keese
I just don't understand why people won't give the man a chance. What is the harm in that at this point? He is the head coach whether you like it or not so why not just hope he does great because if he does great LSU does great. Why sit here and complain every single day about the same things that we won't know the answer to for another 4 months? I know this is the rant and you want to rant but we all just keep repeating the same things over and over again on both sides of the argument. Let's just sit back and wait to see what happens before we throw judgement.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:42 pm to Tiger Ree
I said three things about Kiffin in my first post: 1) his character defects make him a cancer in a program and 2) we jumped over a snake when he didn't come and 3) The Orgeron had an apparent belief that he could hire Kiffen.
All of these are true, as far as I can see. And, Oh, by the way, I don't believe for a minute Kiffen's suggestion that he seriously entertained coming here (see "character defects", above).
I stand by my second post for the same reasons.
Should I assume you think Kiffen would have been a great hire for LSU and he would have considered Da Coach O as his superior?
All of these are true, as far as I can see. And, Oh, by the way, I don't believe for a minute Kiffen's suggestion that he seriously entertained coming here (see "character defects", above).
I stand by my second post for the same reasons.
Should I assume you think Kiffen would have been a great hire for LSU and he would have considered Da Coach O as his superior?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:50 pm to Freauxzen
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Along with relying on the Coordinator's sticking around AND constantly hiring them.....Are we sure they can work together on a gameplan that makes sense if you don't have a head coach making big, overall decisions about how we approach opponents? Will our identities be too different? Will the offense do the right things to put the defense in positions it wants to be in? Will there be clashes over who gets credit?
it's not just this
go back to recruiting and our talent. yes O can recruit his arse off, but with the potential instability on either side (due to coordinators running the show and then likely leaving if they're successful), how do we develop an overall strategy to ensure our abundant talent fits with this likely revolving door of schematics over time?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but with the potential instability on either side (due to coordinators running the show and then likely leaving if they're successful),
how many different coordinators did Miles have again?
tia.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:53 pm to earl keese
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I find it funny that there are some people that have posted that a 10-3 record is now considered respectable and that 8 or 9 wins is now good and that it takes a whole team to win a championship. These are things that wouldn't be accepted from the previous coaching staff.
i think it's because most people are worried (or have just accepted) that we may have hired an inferior coach
even the pro-O faction is trying to insidiously lower expectations for 17 and 18, even though O was primarily hired for continuity and not to have "gap" seasons
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:55 pm to Freauxzen
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O's lack of true football expertise and philosophy and inability to really guide either side of the ball is a problem if we want to be an elite consistent winner.
You mean kinda like Dabo?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:56 pm to CptBengal
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how many different coordinators did Miles have again?
Miles was interesting
He had Jimbo forced upon him and they clashed b/c Miles was too risk-averse
then he tried to revamp our offense with Crowton, 2007 was glorious with a Crowton/Jimbo offensive mixture....and then 2008 happened
we spent a few years trying to find our identity again until that 2011 defense and our luck convinced Miles that we can win with an even more risk-averse offense than what we ran under Jimbo
i'm not here to defend miles, but he did have an overall strategy that he wanted out of his offense (running, running, and more running...while avoiding the middle of the field when throwing and going for big bombs in play action)
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:57 pm to CptBengal
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how many different coordinators did Miles have again?
You're missing it.
Miles was forcing a certainly philosophy on all of his OCs, and Cam Cameron happened to be the one who was the most in lock-step with him.
With O, it's totally different. He may have said that he wanted the spread, but with many different versions of the spread, there could still be transition issues with each new OC.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Miles was interesting
He had Jimbo forced upon him and they clashed b/c Miles was too risk-averse
My point was he had many coordinators.
A winning team will run through coordinators as they get head jobs of their own. Your original point is without merit.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:58 pm to ssgtiger
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You mean kinda like Dabo?
he's one of the few outliers, but he did hook up with Chad Morris and they've been "all in" on that offense ever since. he found his identity on offense
Venables looks to be a guy who is staying at DC there for a while, too (for whatever reason)
O has to show the same sort of overall philosophy and strategy (that leads to results, obviously) to establish consistency so he can build the program
Posted on 5/4/17 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's one of the few outliers,
Im not saying he isn't, just that lets give the guy a shot before anointing him a failure. It's obviously not impossible.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 3:01 pm to CptBengal
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A winning team will run through coordinators as they get head jobs of their own. Your original point is without merit.
Miles is a textbook example of a coach that tried to change things up, causing frickery for years
that change to Crowton's spread/spread option in 2009-2010 was really bad
we would change up our blocking every year or so and vacillate between zone and man blocking and it would take half a season for our OL to get it down...until we changed it again
hiring different coordinators isn't an issue if you hire coordinators who run the offense you want run. O has to show he has a successful philosophy and strategy (on offense and defense, mind you), and then prove he can hire replacement coordinators that can maintain the philosophy
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