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re: Cameron signs 3 year extension, Orgeron named recruiting coordinator
Posted on 3/6/16 at 2:43 pm to Datbayoubengal
Posted on 3/6/16 at 2:43 pm to Datbayoubengal
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There are tons of OCs that can perform better. Look at what Lincoln Riley did for Oklahoma in one year or what Cumbie/Meachem did with TCU in one year, or what Lane Kiffin did with Bama in one year, etc, etc. That was with a QB change for Bama and Oklahoma, and Boykin was in a pro style offense but switched to an air raid. Stop acting like we should settle for the mediocre shite. LSU is always reactive and never proactive
Damn good point. Patterson saw a problem and addressed it.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 4:26 pm to jtblsu
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Wow. One year I could see, but three??
Just long enough to see his daughter graduate HS.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 5:24 pm to dgnx6
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The class was awesome, but didn't have a strong finish. LA isn as loaded this cycle, LSU will have to go oos to fill the class with top prospects. That's when the 1 year contract comes into play. Could be a deciding factor for kids living further away.
It's not as big of a deal as you guys make it out to be. Giving Cam a one year extension would not halt the recruiting on offense, that's silly.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 6:02 pm to LSU Groupee
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A QB that graduated high school in 2012 and had a RS season.
Ok, where are you going with this? A walk on QB who transfered to Oklahoma, transformed that offense. He learned Texas Tech's offense as a true freshman, learned Oklahoma's offense during his redshirt year, then had to learn his new offense from Lincoln Riley in a matter of months.
Oklahoma went from 56.6% 2300 yards 7.3 ypa 14 TDs 12 ints with Knight to 68.1% 3700 yards 9.4 ypa 36 TDs 7 ints with Mayfield.
Their run game effectiveness decreased in the first half of the season, but in turn, improved their team by giving it more balance. Also, they were one of the best rushing teams during the back half of the year going over 330 yards 4 times (one 405 yard day), and going over 230 yards rushing in 7 of their last 8 games (the hardest part of their schedule.
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With a senior QB and in a conference that thinks defense is a bad word. Let's see what Harris can do before we keep bitching like school girls on the rag.
Boykin was a redshirt junior with half a year at WR and a year and a half in a pro style offense. In the matter of one offseason as a redshirt junior, he learned the air raid system and went from 56.4% cmp, 6.2 ypa, 6 TDs to 10 ints in 2013, to 61.2% cmp, 3900 yards 33 TDs to 10 ints.
The run game went from 3.53 ypc to 5.23 ypc from 20 TDs to 32 TDs, and from 1423 yards to 2689 yards.
And don't give me that crap about what defenses he played. Look at his improvement and the entire team's improvement from one year to the next learning an entirely new offensive scheme.
THIS is what I am talking about. Changing LSU's offense to a more balanced offense would make us way more effective. Running more plays, putting our guys in space, improving the short passing game, etc. And you don't need two years to do this, and you especially shouldn't with the ridiculous talent LSU brings in.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:10 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Oklahoma 8-5 to 11-2 Big 12 champ with a new QB and new OC/QB coach and new offensive scheme.
TCU 4-8 to 12-1 (co-Big 12 champ) with a new OC/QB coach, new WR coach, and vastly different scheme change.
they play in a conf with no great defenses. the highest ranked big 12 defense was Oklahoma at 30th. The big 12 had 1 team rank in the top 50 in opponents yards per game.
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Bama 12-2 non SEC champion to 12-2 SEC champion with a new OC/QB coach, new offensive philosophy, and a QB turned RB turned QB again with no starting experience, replacing a 3 year starting twice national champion, all time program career passing lead
Of course its no as much of an issue if you have the best defensive talent in all of cfb.
Its common knowledge that implementing a new offense hurts your production.
This post was edited on 3/6/16 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:18 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Yes because recruiting with Washington as your base is the same as recruiting with Louisiana as your base....
That has nothinh to do with what we were talking about. LSU recruits against other powerhouse recruits while Washington doesnt. The pac 12 has about 3 teams that are regulars in the top 25 recruiting classes. The sec has 4 teams that are regs in the top 10.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:19 pm to Chitter Chatter
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Damn good point. Patterson saw a problem and addressed it.
He addressed it by playing a conf woth 1 defense ranked in the top 50 in opponents yards per game,
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Its common knowledge that implementing a new offense hurts your production.
I remember when Nebraska did this and they have never been the same... But give me more examples that this happens so often?????
Now I am seeing that you are NOT a fan of Cam... Ok. Fair enough.. Would you say that the LSU offense has ben balanced the last 8 years ????
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:24 pm to dukke v
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But give me more examples that this happens so often?????
Give examples? Its common knowledge to football coachs. Learning a complete new playbook and new terminology throws off an offense's production. But its not an absolute. I'm not saying our offense wouldnt get better with a new oc, im saying i dont want to give the staff an excuse of implementing a new scheme.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:25 pm to dukke v
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Would you say that the LSU offense has ben balanced the last 8 years ??
When we had qbs that could execute.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:28 pm to Datbayoubengal
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And don't give me that crap about what defenses he played. Look at his improvement and the entire team's improvement from one year to the next learning an entirely new offensive scheme.
So dont give you facts? I llve how yoi posts statistical facts to support your argument yet wont accept statistical facts explaing the rise in those stats you used.
TCU plays in a conference where the best defense ranks 30th in opponents yards per game and have 1 team in the top 59 in that defensive stat.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:32 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Give examples? Its common knowledge to football coachs. Learning a complete new playbook and new terminology throws off an offense's production
It depends a lot on the QB... Mtt had a year under his belt and in 2013 LSU'S offense was great... This years could be as good...
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:52 pm to TommyDaTiger
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Peej it's a wonder you ever had a fukin job, you are the dumbest person on the planet
Geez, are you really an adult? I find it almost crazier that you have a job with the way you talk. No counter point? No debate on what he was talking about? Just that? Pathetic.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 10:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Its common knowledge that implementing a new offense hurts your production.
Nonsense. New OCs can be productive year 1. These are college offenses, and good OCs don't overly complicate things. They don't need years to implement their offense. Jesus, this ain't rocket science.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 10:46 pm to dukke v
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It depends a lot on the QB... Mtt had a year under his belt and in 2013 LSU'S offense was great... This years could be as good...
PLEASE ,FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DONT PREDICT OUR OFFENSE TO BE REALLY GOOD.
This post was edited on 3/6/16 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:42 am to Sampson
What did you expect? Miles was going to run his best friend off?
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:23 am to Datbayoubengal
quote:There are ZERO OC's who would take a one year contract to work under Les Miles. And we have had several OC's at LSU under Les Miles and the offense has similar issues under different styles.
There are tons of OCs that can perform better.
I have seen enough of a difference under Cam to recognize that he is a very capable OC. Now if Les Miles gets his head out of the sand and recruits passing QB's and stops mucking up the offense we could get going.
Hopefully Cam stays on the sidelines this year. I wouldn't mind seeing Les Miles head to the box. Maybe the new perspective helps.
ETA: BTW, list the Orgeron promotion under "No Duh, right move".
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 8:25 am
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:46 am to Sampson
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Orgeron named recruiting coordinator
Dumb question here.... but does O still coach the D-line? I'm assuming so, similar to Frank being the recruiting coordinator and running backs coach.
Again, sorry in advance for what is probably a dumbass question...
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:41 am to Datbayoubengal
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Changing LSU's offense to a more balanced offense would make us way more effective.
No shite. You say that like you think you are the only person around with that thought.
Harris was a true sophomore starting his first year in the SEC. He was off and on with a low completion rate. We had the best running attack in the SEC. You don't have to very smart to understand you going to run the ball more than throw it.
You need to stop with the TCU great offense shite. Their conference plays terrible defense. Harris probably would have much better numbers if he was playing there as opposed to the SEC.
LSU is losing the LOS war and that directly played a key role in our three loses. People who cant or refuse to see this problem and continue bashing Harris are retards.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:45 pm to LSU Groupee
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Harris was a true sophomore starting his first year in the SEC.
ah yes, the "youth" excuse again. Because young and/or inexperienced QBs are never productive, right?
Never mind that Harris had been in Cam's system a full year and a half before this past season.
Hey, at least I give you credit for not using the "hernia" excuse.
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