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re: Cameron on 104.5 this morning
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:22 pm to Salviati
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:22 pm to Salviati
Holy shite... Mett in 2012 was worse than Lee in 2008 and Jefferson in 2009.... comparable to Jefferson in 2010. I had no idea it was that bad.
Cameron
Cameron
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:25 pm to atltiger6487
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Playing the best guy is a brilliant strategy.
So now a guy who hasn't started his senior year of high school is better than a true sophomore at a Top 5 CFB program?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:26 pm to chilge1
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So now a guy who hasn't started his senior year of high school is better than a true sophomore at a Top 5 CFB program?
i told you. it's already happening. the people screaming for Harris now will be screaming for Franks when he gets here. the best player is always the one on the bench.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:28 pm to Lou Pai
quote:Your point only makes sense at the extreme.
Is that what I was saying, or was I just using an extreme to make a point?
The inherent and indisputable fact is that the coaches have MORE information than the fan. And not just a little more information. The coaches have multiples more information, AND they have the ability to obtain almost all of the information that they want. Fans are stuck trying to interpret and extrapolate conclusions from limited data sets over which they have no control.
The only time when having more information is a problem is when the analysis is faulty. Miles' record strongly suggests that his analysis is NOT faulty.
Thus, the immense data discrepancy between what the fan is able to collect and what the coaching staff is able to collect far outweighs any difference in the analysis of that data . . . unless you are comparing Hallman to Miles.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:32 pm to chilge1
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Alright, let's talk about resources... in our typical recruiting grounds, how many Top 10 high school QBs have been produced in the last 10 years?
I don't know, I'm not a recruiting expert, you tell me. If you want to include the states of Mississippi and especially Texas, I'm sure there has been a decent amount. Let's also not forget how talented the team around the QB has been, at least in terms of skills positions (OL has been so-so).
For two programs off the top of my head with similar resources and offensive styles, Richt is able to get reasonable if not above-average production out of his "down year" QBs (eg, Mason, Shockley), and the same can be said for Saban with McElroy and Sims.
Edit: McElroy not McCarron
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:36 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Define "best" guy.quote:Playing the best guy is a brilliant strategy.
Throwing Franks out there as a redshirt freshman for Harris's senior year is a brilliant strategy.. one that couldn't possibly backfire in any possible way.
Mett was a more talented QB in 2011, but he was NOT the QB who gave LSU the best chance to win.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:38 pm to chilge1
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So now a guy who hasn't started his senior year of high school is better than a true sophomore at a Top 5 CFB program?
huh? Where did I say that???
I simply meant that if a guy is on our roster and he's the best player at his position, he should play -- regardless of whether there's an FR, SO, JR, or SR after his name.
Novel concept.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:43 pm to Salviati
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Your point only makes sense at the extreme.
The inherent and indisputable fact is that the coaches have MORE information than the fan. And not just a little more information. The coaches have multiples more information, AND they have the ability to obtain almost all of the information that they want. Fans are stuck trying to interpret and extrapolate conclusions from limited data sets over which they have no control.
The only time when having more information is a problem is when the analysis is faulty. Miles' record strongly suggests that his analysis is NOT faulty.
Thus, the immense data discrepancy between what the fan is able to collect and what the coaching staff is able to collect far outweighs any difference in the analysis of that data . . . unless you are comparing Hallman to Miles.
The concept is still the same. Of course the coaches have access to what happens in practice, but that doesn't disallow a 3rd party from being able to critique their success. LSU fans that watch every game have an extremely good sample size from which to evaluate how Miles does in developing QBs.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:43 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Define "best" player.quote:huh? Where did I say that???
So now a guy who hasn't started his senior year of high school is better than a true sophomore at a Top 5 CFB program?
I simply meant that if a guy is on our roster and he's the best player at his position, he should play -- regardless of whether there's an FR, SO, JR, or SR after his name.
Novel concept.
Mett was a more talented QB in 2011, but he was NOT the QB who gave LSU the best chance to win.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:44 pm to Salviati
quote:we will never know. At least mett would've stayed in the pocket and take the hit and not b spooked like JL
Met was the more talented in 2011 but didn't give us the best chance to win
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:44 pm to LSU GrandDad
if you don't think Cam has input on who his starters will be, at any position, you just don't know how football teams work.
you seem to be be misconstruing his words when he says "Les will know just who the guy is when". of course Les will know because Cam will tell him. who the starting QB will be is a staff decision with Cam and Les as the staff that make that decision.
Miles does not want a lot of media and fan heat on his coaches and protects them from it. Miles takes the blame for pretty much everything. it is just one sign that Miles is a great manager of people.
You don't know Les? After 11 years, you guys haven't figured out that Les makes the decisions regarding who plays QB
you seem to be be misconstruing his words when he says "Les will know just who the guy is when". of course Les will know because Cam will tell him. who the starting QB will be is a staff decision with Cam and Les as the staff that make that decision.
Miles does not want a lot of media and fan heat on his coaches and protects them from it. Miles takes the blame for pretty much everything. it is just one sign that Miles is a great manager of people.
You don't know Les? After 11 years, you guys haven't figured out that Les makes the decisions regarding who plays QB
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:51 pm to chilge1
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Anthony Jennings
Brandon Harris
Justin McMillan
Danny Etling
Feleipe Franks
Thin?
when Jennings was suspended we were a snap away from a "3" (very low 3 at that) taking meaningful SEC snaps this year. you're thin AF if you're a snap away from having to play a guy whose best offer besides us was UNLV
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:54 pm to Lou Pai
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I don't know, I'm not a recruiting expert, you tell me. If you want to include the states of Mississippi and especially Texas, I'm sure there has been a decent amount.
I count five quarterbacks in 10 years that ended up being worth a damn.. and only one in the last six years.
2006 Matthew Stafford (TX) - signed with Georgia
2006 Jevan Sneed (TX) - signed with Texas
2007 Ryan Mallett (TX) - signed with Michigan
2008 Andrew Luck (TX) - signed with Stanford
2008 Tommy Dorman (TX) - signed with Texas A&M
2008 Darron Thomas (TX) - signed with Oregon
2008 Robert Griffin III (TX) - signed with Baylor
2009 Garrett Gilbert (TX) - signed with Texas
2009 Russell Shepard (TX) signed with LSU
2009 Tyrik Rollison (TX) - signed with Auburn
2010 Connor Wood (TX) - signed with Texas
2010 James Franklin (TX) - signed with Missouri
2012 Anthony Alford (MS) - signed with Iowa
2012 Matt Davis (TX) - signed with Texas A&M
2013 J.T. Barrett (TX) - signed with Ohio State
2014 Jerrod Heard (TX) - signed with Texas
2014 Brandon Harris (LA) - signed with LSU
2015 Kyler Murray (TX) - signed with Texas A&M
2015 Jarrett Stidham (TX) - signed with Baylor
And in that time, the state of Texas has produced 17 of these quarterbacks.. 4 of them signed with UT, 3 of them signed with A&M, and 2 with Baylor, meaning over half signed with the in-state schools.
But why don't you tell me which quarterback you would have liked to have seen Miles offer a scholarship?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:55 pm to Salviati
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We have sufficient depth to make a title run.
I don't know about LBer, but if Herron/Gilmore step up then we're okay at DT. We will have to depend on true Freshmen at DE for depth this year no matter what.
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Who had the worst returning QB before fall camp in 2011?
LSU did, but he got arrested and it forced Les to finally play and make a change for the better QB in Lee.
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Yeah, I have no idea where LSU will get any good CBs or safeties.
Oh, we'll be fine at CB or safety, but a guy with TM7's impact doesn't come along all that often and that's the kind of special teams and defensive impact we need with the offense as it stands today.
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Please describe in detail exactly how a Steele defense looks with LSU talent and Orgeron coaching?
We'll have to see it. I"m not sure how it'd look. But I do know how it looked at Bama in 07 before Saban demoted him and at Clemson (WVU just scored again) and at Baylor where he went 1-31 in the big 12.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:57 pm to Salmon
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A highly ranked QB might look at LSU and see that Harris and AJ were freshmen and sophmores, respectively, and thought they might not get a chance to play for a long time
How come HArbaugh brought in two 4 stars in 2015 and 1 highly ranked 4 star for 2016?
Why can't we do that?
How come Bama can bring in Blake Barnett and David Cornwell and has yet another 4* for the 3rd year in a row committed in 2016? Why don't we load up at QB like our peers?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:57 pm to Moustache
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when Jennings was suspended we were a snap away from a "3" (very low 3 at that) taking meaningful SEC snaps this year. you're thin AF if you're a snap away from having to play a guy whose best offer besides us was UNLV
It's an improvement from last year when our third string QB was a baseball player. .. we have four scholarship quarterbacks on the roster with another coming in the next recruiting class. Depth is fine.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:58 pm to Salviati
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Define "best" player.
I hear you. "Best" is determined based on several factors, experience being among them.
But why is it so hard for you guys to admit that the BEST DAMN PLAYER should play, regardless of age??? What world do you live in?
Manziel and Winston are two shining examples - RS Freshman who started (and played pretty well, from my recollection). Maybe Sumlin and Jimbo should've let them both sit on the sidelines for another year because they had no experience and were only RS freshmen.
I'm done arguing this nonsense. You can reply and get the last word.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:58 pm to Moustache
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How come Bama can bring in Blake Barnett and David Cornwell and has yet another 4* for the 3rd year in a row committed in 2016? Why don't we load up at QB like our peers?
probably because Bama didn't have a sophomore and freshman playing last year
same with Michigan
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I really think the coaches know it's Harris' job, but want him to stay hungry and vigilant throughout camp. I suspect he will be named the starter publicly a couple weeks before the season starts.
I know this grapevine.
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What makes you think this?
I know this grapevine.
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