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re: Billy Cannon versus Leonard Fournette

Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by heavylurk
Toledo
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:28 pm to

Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7178 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:32 pm to
At 215 pounds and "consistently running 9.5 100-yard dash times" (per LSU sports.net), Cannon's measureables even without the benefit of modern training and diet suggest Cannon would have had no problem playing RB in the SEC today. I don't know if you can precisely convert 100 yard to 100 meter times, but I don't think LF ever ran better than a 10.6 or so. Cannon was probably faster than Fournette. Doesn't mean he was better, of course, but people seem to have a hard time believing that some white guys from way back then were fast.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41160 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:37 pm to
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Then maybe Cannon should have put up better stats. His Heisman winning year, he netted 598 yards and 5 rushing touchdowns with a 4.3 YPC average.


I don't know if you are being disingenuous or ignorant.

Led the Tigers in rushing with 598 yards on 139 carries (4.3 per rush)Rushed for five touchdowns
Caught 11 passes for 161 yards
Threw six passes (12-26 118 yards for his career)
Served as the Tiger’s punter for a majority of the season, punting 44 times for 1,774 yards (40.3 per punt)
Was the Tiger’s primary return man, returning eight kickoffs for 191 yards (23.8 per return)
Returned 15 punts for 221 yards (14.7 per return) and one touchdown
Also served as the anchor for the Tiger’s defense, returning four interceptions for 145 yards (47.6 per interception)
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98138 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:37 pm to
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Then maybe Cannon should have put up better stats. His Heisman winning year, he netted 598 yards and 5 rushing touchdowns with a 4.3 YPC average.


While also playing middle linebacker. On the series after his punt return, he stopped the Ole Miss RB on the goal line to preserve the win.
Posted by el gato
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
2402 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:38 pm to
The world record for the 100-yard dash was 9.2 in the early '60s. Four or five years ago someone (don't have the info handy) ran a 9.07. Cannon was big and fast back in the day. Even without giving him the benefit of the doubt of added muscle due to superior contemporary training methods, Cannon's speed would hold up very well today.
Posted by bababooey
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2009
1092 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:39 pm to
well aren't you just an expert
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98138 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:39 pm to
That was also on cinder, aka dirt, tracks.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84946 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:42 pm to
So you're saying he was a good athlete, not the best RB. Agreed.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162202 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:43 pm to
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I don't know if you can precisely convert 100 yard to 100 meter times

Would be about 10.4 to 10.5 if it were 100 meters instead of yards
Posted by K E V 8 4
Member since Jul 2010
608 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:43 pm to
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and year round training


Heck (I just read the Cannon book), they were just starting weight training in football when he was in last (?) year of high school. It's a fools errand to try to compare long-ago players vs. today. Evolution is really a thing.....
Posted by K E V 8 4
Member since Jul 2010
608 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:44 pm to
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If you put Leonard in the late 50's/early 60's he sets records no one ever would touch


OK, so now we're using a time machine....!
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:49 pm to
Please don't be this stupid! I mean to the ones that say, "He couldn't even play high school ball", "He would not make it at the college level".

That is ridiculous! All you need to know is that he was 230 with blazing speed and power. So I am guessing the ones that are saying this would say that Hester could not make it now a days either?
Posted by Uncle Luke
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
439 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 4:50 pm to
I never said Cannon was the best tailback, hard to compare 55 years ago football to todays style of play. What I did say was that as far as size, speed and strength go, he would compare very well to running backs of today. He consistently ran 9.5 100 yards, personal best of 9.4, thats a fact, along with his measured size. He was well ahead of his time as an athlete. I found it hard to swallow when his son, Billy Cannon Jr. signed with Texas A&M back in the 80's. He was a good linebacker for them, though not nearly the physical specimen his old man was.
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 4:51 pm
Posted by melonheadla
New Orleans Positiger
Member since Dec 2007
553 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 4:57 pm to
No way to compare LF7 and Cannon, who was from a different ere and played half his time on defense and special teams. LF7 would be a superbeast in any era, though.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26615 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 4:57 pm to
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LF will end up on top, but until then it's Faulk


This right here, but If Fournette continues on this pace, he will crush every single rushing statistic in the SEC minus the ones about carries.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38371 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:00 pm to
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fast version of Adrian Peterson,


Peterson ran a 4.40 at the combine
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:17 pm to
1. Hill
2. LF7
These two are interchangeable
3. Faulk
4. Hester
5. D.Hilliard
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:19 pm to
Dalton Hilliard > Jacob Hester

not even in the same ballpark...
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46621 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:22 pm to
quote:

Collins is still the biggest what if. 


Hey ,some criminal ran really well for 4 weeks against 3 scrubs and Auburn.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101311 posts
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:26 pm to
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4. Hester


Ahead of Hilliard and Alexander?
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