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re: Billy Cannon versus Leonard Fournette
Posted on 10/9/15 at 8:43 pm to Tigahs
Posted on 10/9/15 at 8:43 pm to Tigahs
Cannon weighed around 220 and was probably often the fastest guy on the field. The linemen only weighed around 230 at the most. So to translate this to today's era imagine a running back that weighs around 290 and is the fastest man on the field.
That being said LF is the greatest I've ever witnessed at LSU and it's very difficult to say who was the best considering so many different variables of separate eras.
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 8:46 pm to dukke v
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There is more to football than just stats.
No shite. Why do you always take someone's post to the extreme? I said Hester wasn't top 5 and you took it as I was saying hester sucked.
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You will never understand this
Actually yes I do. But when you're ranking historically, production is what matter the most.
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Hester was a beast in 2007.
1100 yards at 4.9 ypc is no where near beast mode. He was a good short yardage rb.
In 2007 he ran for over 100 yards 4 times. While he was a good rb, he isn't in the top 5 of alltime rrbs at lsu. Which is what we were talking about.
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 10/9/15 at 8:46 pm to BestStop
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There is NO way to compare the two other than that they both were RB's.
Agreed...It is an entirely different game now. Back then, you didn't have 300 lb defensive linemen that ran a 4.6 forty.
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This thread totally diminishes the real talent Billy Cannon was.
It was a comparison thread that was stupid.
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 10/9/15 at 8:49 pm to Meldedee
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would put Alexander above Hill. Kid was in the running for the Heisman. A
Only because of the amount of carries Alexander had.
IF Hill would've had 311 carries like Alexander had, he wouldve obliterated the sec single season rushing record, let alone lsu's single season rushing record.
This post was edited on 10/10/15 at 9:00 am
Posted on 10/9/15 at 8:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I loved BC as s kid and met him (and Johnny Robinson ) once at Alvin Roy's. Like fournette, people hated to tackle him.
That being said, I've watched the Tigers since 1958 and studied them since 1960, and Leonard Fournette is absolutely the best I've ever seen in purple and gold.
That being said, I've watched the Tigers since 1958 and studied them since 1960, and Leonard Fournette is absolutely the best I've ever seen in purple and gold.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:01 pm to Lou the Jew from LSU
Tried to up vote that comment Lou the Jew but accidentally down voted it and it won't let me change it
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:05 pm to TigerBR1111
Duly noted my good man!
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:07 pm to Tigahs
Billy Cannon won a Heisman in 1959.
1959!!!!
No blacks were allowed on that team.
Billy Cannon wouldn't have had a carry on the 1997 team.
Cecil Collins (best Tiger RB I've ever seen)
Kevin Faulk (best Tiger RB I've ever seen that actually played four years)
Rondell Mealey (Top 5 Tiger RB)
1959!!!!
No blacks were allowed on that team.
Billy Cannon wouldn't have had a carry on the 1997 team.
Cecil Collins (best Tiger RB I've ever seen)
Kevin Faulk (best Tiger RB I've ever seen that actually played four years)
Rondell Mealey (Top 5 Tiger RB)
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:14 pm to Rickdaddy4188
He was clutch in the big games without him there is no championship , agree?
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:30 pm to Tigahs
The game was different then. How can you compare someone from 60 years ago to a guy today? If you are stat watchers, then clearly the older guys won't stack up because of many factors including length of schedule. Cannon, Taylor, Van Buren, Stovall would stack up against any other rbs you could list. I personally would have Faulk and Alexander in a top 5, but Cannon gets there easily as well. You know how we talked about how stacked we are at rb? Taylor and Cannon were on the same team and then you get Stovall right after that. Fournette should be there by year's end and maybe at the top or near it. What Fournette"s doing, Cannon did in a different era in terms of making LSU a national contender, winning the heisman, and just being the best football player in the nation week after week.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:40 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
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No blacks were allowed on that team.
I had a feeling this would come up. I guess what you're trying to say is, he was only successful because he didn't have any competition from blacks.
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Cecil Collins (best Tiger RB I've ever seen)
How many times did you see him play at LSU? It blows my mind when people say this. The best back I've ever seen, played in 3 whole games in his college career. I don't care about what others did in 3 or 4 yrs, those 3 games were enough to convince me.
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Kevin Faulk (best Tiger RB I've ever seen that actually played four years)
I'm with you on this.
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Rondell Mealey (Top 5 Tiger RB)
I haven't looked at the stats, maybe he is...He's just not someone that I would think about when considering the top 5 LSU running backs.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:45 pm to dukke v
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There is more to football than just stats. You will never understand this. Hester was a beast in 2007. And fumbled only once his whole time here.
I'm not arguing Hester wasn't a damn good back. He just wasn't better than Hilliard or Alexander. Are you saying he was? If so, you're wrong.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:48 pm to Tigahs
The one quote and comparison that is getting to me is when people say LF is a fast Adrian Peterson. Do some of you only watch LSU and know LSU players? Do you realize AP ran a 4.3 at the combine and has been killing the NFL since his first pre - season game? LF is a rare back but let's not forget how dominant some of the other running backs he's being compared to were.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 10:23 pm to rantfan
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He was clutch in the big games without him there is no championship , agree?
He was our best rb in 2007 but that doesn't make him top 5. In no way am i saying he sucked. He just doesn't belong in the top5.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 10:25 pm to IsaacBrown2
Posted on 10/9/15 at 10:33 pm to IsaacBrown2
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LF is a rare back but let's not forget how dominant some of the other running backs he's being compared to were.
LF is LF and trying to compare him to other great backs is wrong. If you want to compare...I think he is a hybrid of some the greats, but not like anyone in particular. This guy is special and it might be a long time before we see someone like this at LSU again.
Posted on 10/10/15 at 6:23 am to ByteMe
Billy Cannon also ran track. He was a speed demon with incredible times.
I agree, strictly from a visual standpoint, Cecil the Diesel was the best RB I may have seen play the game. Billy Sims was another.
I agree, strictly from a visual standpoint, Cecil the Diesel was the best RB I may have seen play the game. Billy Sims was another.
Posted on 10/10/15 at 6:27 am to Tigahs
This is Gonna be great.
Bunch of 20 something year old kids talking about a guy's ability they wouldn't know if he came ove to their house.
Bunch of 20 something year old kids talking about a guy's ability they wouldn't know if he came ove to their house.
Posted on 10/10/15 at 6:34 am to Jim Rockford
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He was a 230 lb running back with world class speed, in an era when sports nutrition, sports medicine, and year round training didn't exist. Give Cannon the kind of off the field preparation these guys have, and he'd excel at this level. Would he be the GOAT? Maybe not, but he'd be elite.
He DID NOT WEIGH 230 pounds. His playing weight was around 207 to 211 pounds. Everything else you typed was correct and I agree with.
Posted on 10/10/15 at 6:53 am to Tigahs
There are some absurd comments on this topic. When measuring size and speed alone, BC is an elite RB.
Today, a century ago, or 5 decades ago.
Today, a century ago, or 5 decades ago.
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