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re: Ben Simmons has grown 2" since leaving LSU
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:32 pm to the LSUSaint
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:32 pm to the LSUSaint
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It's not made up. He came as a one and done, everyone knew, so it didn't help w recruiting for the future.
Wat. I'm not saying Simmons' coming helped recruiting but what argument are you even making here?
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We were easily defeated, as most one demensional teams are, and couldn't even make the top 64! He was an issue to coach and not a great locker room guy. Teammates weren't behind him and it showed. Jones lost control of him.....and then we turned down the NIT like we were better than that! He had already quit on his team, publicly.
That you would place all of this clusterfrickery on our best player shows me you have no clue what you're talking about. Who's fault is it that we were "easily defeated" or "one-dimensional" or that the team quit on the coach? It's the fault of the best and most productive player that kept us in and won so many games for us?
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The next year was probably the worst in LSU history (in the SEC)
We ended up worse than before he came....it's not an opinion, it's fact.
Largely because he, our best player, left for the NBA. You aren't this fricking stupid, are you?
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:37 pm to atltiger6487
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just because a quality can't be measured with numbers doesn't make it irrelevant. There are many, many vague and subjective qualities athletes get labeled with all the time, and they're accurate.
Practically every time that an LSU team sport has a period of sustained losses/struggling, the individual standout performers get criticized for their leadership.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:37 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
Has there ever been an LSU player sucked off so hard only to be hated a year later quite like Ben Simmons? Once he has a 30 point game or triple double, this board will hop right back on his nutsack
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah he only had one of the most productive freshman seasons in ncaa history.
Do you know how rare it is for a player, let alone a true freshman, to lead his team in PPG,steals/game,assists/game,rebounds per game,blocks/game,and free throw attempts/game?
He was top 5 in the sec in ppg(4th),steals per game (2nd),rebounds per game (1st),assists per game(5th),and free throw attempts (1st)
yet couldn't lead a team to the tourney.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:46 pm to AlexLSU
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Once he has a 30 point game or triple double, this board will hop right back on his nutsack
Wrong. I barely consider him a Tiger at this point. A blip on the radar that won some games for us...big deal.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:47 pm to Chad504boy
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yet couldn't lead a team to the tourney.
Yeah he was the reason we didn't make it
Some of you are truly idiots.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:16 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
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Was 6'10". Now at 7'
good thing he has a year off to get used to his kinesthetics, work on his game as much as the healing permits.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:18 pm to the LSUSaint
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couldn't even make the top 64
This just isn't true. Lsu was easily one of the best 64 teams in cbb last year. You do realize that they don't just take the 64 best teams, right?
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He was an issue to coach and not a great locker room guy
Link. You know since this is widely known you should have no problem linking me to things saying he was a bad teammate.
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Teammates weren't behind him and it showe
By teammates you mean Tim quarterman.
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Jones lost control of him
Jones didn't put Tim quarterman in his place.
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He had already quit on his team, publicly.
Link.
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Also, a 7 footer like him is a solid player in the pros, but nothing special,
Want to take a guess how many 7 footers can take people off the dribble,finish with either hand and can facilitate the offense?
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and a smaller guy can handle him on the outside.
This just isn't true.
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I just don't see him as a franchise changing player, untill they trade him for several guys, lol
Anthony Davis is widely known as one of the 5 best players that GMs would want to build around and he hasn't been this franchise changing player for NO. There is maybe 3 -4 players on the planet that can take a bad franchise and make it into a conf title contender.saying Simmons isn't one of those isn't some slap in the face.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:22 pm to Chad504boy
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yet couldn't lead a team to the tourney.
That fact that you can't see that that says more about his teammates and coaching is telling. Yeah let's blame the guy that had one of the most productive seasons in lsu history( not just for a freshman).
He had more assists per game than CJ did as a freshman,and he had no where near the talent around him. This past season should've let every know what kind of coaching he was getting at lsu.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:33 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I wonder if these same people would shite on Pete Maravich.
We went 14-12 and 13-13 in Pete's sophomore and junior years.
We went 14-12 and 13-13 in Pete's sophomore and junior years.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:39 pm to thunderbird1100
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I wonder if these same people would shite on Pete Maravich.
We went 14-12 and 13-13 in Pete's sophomore and junior years.
I've never seen such a productive player get shite on so much. This past basketball season should've cleared up any ambiguity as to what the problems were during Simmons' year at lsu.
I find it funny that we have fans blaming the player that led lsu in scoring,rebounds,assists,steals,fta,and blocks.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He had more assists per game than CJ did as a freshman,and he had no where near the talent around him.
Jackson was a scoring machine. He didnt need much help but Blanton was there.
There were 4 guys averaging double figures on that team besides Simmons. Thats not too shabby for talent around him.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:40 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:I have made this post before.
I wonder if these same people would shite on Pete Maravich.
We went 14-12 and 13-13 in Pete's sophomore and junior years.
In todays climate, Pete would be fricking hated on Tigerdroppings
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:41 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:So let me get this straight.
RedTigerRulz
If you were starting a college basketball team, you would say no to Pete Maravich and Ben Simmons correct?
You would take Tasmin Mitchell and Darrel Mitchel instead correct?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:51 pm to lsupride87
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You would take Tasmin Mitchell and Darrel Mitchel instead correct?
Im saying, I want that player(s) that can get this program to the tournament...period...end of discussion.
That is the ultimate goal....to win the SEC and get to the big dance...is it not? Because if it isn't....then yes I suppose you all can bally-hoo all you want about Ben's big numbers and what not.
I dont give shite about individual numbers if it doesnt get the team where they want to go.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:54 pm to RedTigerRulz
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There were 4 guys averaging double figures on that team besides Simmons. Thats not too shabby for talent around him.
Simmons had some good talent around him, no doubt. But consider this:
Hornsby - Was out with injury significant portion of season
Quarterman - Was the best "wildy inconsistent" player probably ever here, he would either go for 20 points and 6 assists or 4 points and 6 turnovers
Victor - It was his first season here, so he wasn't as good as he probably could have been, and he missed like the first 8 games of the season
Blakeney - 5 stars or not, as a freshman he was an average overall player
Gray - Just never lived up to any of the hype, way too out of control
Then you had Johnny freaking Jones trying to run this show which turned into a shite show. Simmons was the only real consistent great player that team had between Hornsby and Victor missing so much time and then Quarterman either being great or horrible most of the time.
If we didn't have Simmons that season we would have had 5-8 game worse record, no doubt in my mind.
Besides the fact Johnny really botched that season, there was no real consistency from game to game outside of Simmons.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:56 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Im saying, I want that player(s) that can get this program to the tournament...period...end of discussion.
You don't think a team with Simmons (and the rest of that roster) and a vaguely competent coach could have made the dance? You still seem to be stuck on this notion that our best player is somehow responsible for the team falling short of our hopes. It's an utterly illogical and, honestly, idiotic notion.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:57 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:Let it be known that this day, redtigerdumbnutz, has proclaimed he would take Darrel Mitchel to run the point over Pete Maravich
Im saying, I want that player(s) that can get this program to the tournament...period
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:02 pm to thunderbird1100
I'd rather have Jordan Jefferson at QB than Zach Mettenberger
Afterall he made the national title game, Mettenberger didn't...this is where dumb logic leads you.
Afterall he made the national title game, Mettenberger didn't...this is where dumb logic leads you.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:05 pm to lsu2006
quote:I have a lot of time on my hands and rewatched a lot of games. It is so obvious that there are games he plays hard (North Florida, Oklahoma, Kentucky) and others where he slacks off and acts annoyed, to still others where he just flat out quits. I have no idea what caused all of these different mental ups and downs but they were there.
Pretty amazing (see: pathetic) the venom some LSU fans still show towards him even after it's been proven beyond a doubt that Jones was an atrocious head coach
The kid was brilliant when he cared and gave a hard effort. A second look showed me I didn't give him enough credit for what he could do and did do when he wanted to. On the other hand I am disgusted that a player blessed with his great natural skills would play with no heart in so many games. Especially on defense when he would just wave at his player as he went by him, wishing him a happy layup.
If you were to rate a player strictly by his effort, there are many a short kid playing on a concrete court for nothing more than the fun and love of the game who would rate higher than Mr. Simmons.
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