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re: Ben Simmons has grown 2" since leaving LSU
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:08 pm to dukke v
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:08 pm to dukke v
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I am not sure where I can GO with this.... Yes the best player. But the worst possible coach.... He was WAY smarter than you.. He knew what was gonna happen this past year... But the team would have NOT ben any better this year than the year Ben was here...
There is no where to go. These morons want to continue absolving Simmons from ANY blame for the team missing the tournament. But but but he put up all these sweeeeeettttt numbers dude! He did this and that and was da bomb diggity!!
Despite all the hype though, he couldnt get the job done in the end. The way you people build him up, he should have been able to leap tall building in a single bound and carry this team on his back all the way to the Final 4.
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:11 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Whats Anthony doing this off-season anyway huh? I'll take anyone who can get my team to the playoffs/tournament. Is that clear enough for you...or are you going to continue playing the challenged short bus rider.
Let's do Drew Brees next
T Martin > Manning too
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:29 pm to Tiger1988
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He doesn't seem to have a good relationship with his teammates.
You mean like every one and done? They have played with those teammates for all of 3 months.
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But since you want to defend him here is a sample of some of the info that came out that supports how the team felt about him and what he didn't do to fit in.
I want you to link me to this "info".
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In one scene, he's held on the court to do a postgame television interview while the rest of LSU's players head directly to the locker room. It's early January. The Tigers had just won at Vanderbilt. Simmons finished with 36 points and 14 rebounds. And I've seen this scene enough to know how it usually goes down. The player enters the locker room and his teammates immediately swarm him. That's the typical reaction. But when Simmons enters the locker room, big smile, all joy, he's met with ... almost nothing. Some teammates barely acknowledge him. And you don't need to know anything else about anything else to understand why LSU struggled from start to finish and didn't even come close to making the NCAA Tournament.
It's beyond retarded to use 1 instance in a locker room to determine Simmons relationship with the team.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:32 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:you do know the NIT was considered the bigger post season tournament when I was a youngster in the 60's?
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Im still waiting for someone....anyone.. to tell me how many post-season games did Maravich and Simmons play in during their careers at LSU? Its a simple question.
LINK
You may be able to find some pictures to color too
It declined in the mid 70's really. Go see the 1970 list his senior year. There is your answer. It was a BIG DEAL. My dad didn't want to travel I.e to drive there. I was really sad. LINK
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:33 pm to RedTigerRulz
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There is no where to go. These morons want to continue absolving Simmons from ANY blame for the team missing the tournament
At no time did anyone say he didn't have a hand in not making the tourney. We are saying that he was the last person you could blame for missing the tourney.
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But but but he put up all these sweeeeeettttt numbers dude
Yes because production matter more than some ambiguous claim about his character.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yes because production matter more than some ambiguous claim about his character.
So youre choosing to believe he was a stand up guy, great team member, a leader in the locker room?
By the way, Loved that huge 10 point game he had against AM in the SECT last year. That had to be one of the most embarrassing losses in LSU history and BS Was right in the middle of it.
AM made that team quit.....including BS.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:09 pm to TigerBait1127
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Let's do Drew Brees next
T Martin > Manning too
Saw Steven Adams tonight looking comfortable with the Thunder. Remind me again what Davis is doing these days....oh wait!!! I know....NADA
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:28 pm to dukke v
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Yes the best player. But the worst possible coach...
Agreed
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He was WAY smarter than you.. He knew what was gonna happen this past year... But the team would have NOT ben any better this year than the year Ben was here...
Wut
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:57 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Dude. They did a whole special on that shite. Are really that naive?
That is not the case for every 1&done. Johnny said the same shite.
That guy was a cancer. His teammates didn't give 2 shits for him.
You could see it both on the court and in body language. I do blame JJ for some
Of that as there was zero discipline.
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND! Here's what Rex Chapman said:
Simmons, 6 feet 10, 240 pounds, could be the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA Draft on June 23. According to Bleacher Report, the Philadelphia 76ers are leaning heavily toward selecting Simmons ahead of Duke's Brandon Ingram with the No. 1 pick.
''He's a great talent, great passer and knows the game,'' said Chapman, a former NBA player who served four years as the Denver Nuggets' vice president of player personnel from 2006-10. ''But I think if you ask people around LSU, around the league; he's got some immaturity issues, and I think that's what frightens teams a little bit.
''I think more so off the court. I think his game is a little more mature than his age for sure, but I think there are questions about his ability to be a really good teammate.''
That is not the case for every 1&done. Johnny said the same shite.
That guy was a cancer. His teammates didn't give 2 shits for him.
You could see it both on the court and in body language. I do blame JJ for some
Of that as there was zero discipline.
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND! Here's what Rex Chapman said:
Simmons, 6 feet 10, 240 pounds, could be the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA Draft on June 23. According to Bleacher Report, the Philadelphia 76ers are leaning heavily toward selecting Simmons ahead of Duke's Brandon Ingram with the No. 1 pick.
''He's a great talent, great passer and knows the game,'' said Chapman, a former NBA player who served four years as the Denver Nuggets' vice president of player personnel from 2006-10. ''But I think if you ask people around LSU, around the league; he's got some immaturity issues, and I think that's what frightens teams a little bit.
''I think more so off the court. I think his game is a little more mature than his age for sure, but I think there are questions about his ability to be a really good teammate.''
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:18 am to RedTigerRulz
Are you aware that basketball is a team sport?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:36 am to Tiger1988
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Dude. They did a whole special on that shite. Are really that naive?
That is not the case for every 1&done. Johnny said the same shite.
That guy was a cancer. His teammates didn't give 2 shits for him.
You could see it both on the court and in body language. I do blame JJ for some
Of that as there was zero discipline
So no teammates saying it? Some opinion from a guy not around lsu? Cool.
He should've just never come to lsu because dumbass lsu fans blame him and believe people that aren't around the program instead of blaming the coach that was fired. This past season should've told you what kind of coaching Simmons had at lsu.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 6:41 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:43 am to RedTigerRulz
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So youre choosing to believe he was a stand up guy, great team member, a leader in the locker room?
I'm believing you nor I was in the locker room and you can't shitbom his production so you go to ambiguous character flaws.
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By the way, Loved that huge 10 point game he had against AM in the SECT last year. That had to be one of the most embarrassing losses in LSU history and BS Was right in the middle of it.
I guess LF sucks and isn't a leader because he couldn't run against Bama.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:50 am to Rickdaddy4188
The only time I was a little disappointed with Ben was the OU game. I wanted him to shine when the stage was biggest and he didn't have a great game.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:00 am to Rickdaddy4188
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instead of blaming the coach that was fired.
no I def blame the coach for the general ineptitude this team exhibited. But you cant coach heart, leadership, or aggressiveness. Those are intrinsic. I went to a lot of games that season and watched BS closely. He never looked like the leader most were hoping he would be when came off the court or during timeouts. The team didnt huddle around him or look for direction from him at all it didnt appear.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 8:02 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:02 am to RedTigerRulz
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no I def blame the coach for the general ineptitude this team exhibited. But you cant coach heart, leadership, or aggressiveness. Those are intrinsic. I went to a lot of games last season and watched BS closely. He never looked like the leader most were hoping he would be when came off the court or during timeouts. The team didnt huddle around him or look for direction from him at all it didnt appear.
Amazing an 18 year old wasn't the leader of a D1 basketball team
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:09 am to thunderbird1100
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Amazing an 18 year old wasn't the leader of a D1 basketball team
Did you happen to catch the post game interview from D Fox and M Monk after UK's loss in the tourney. Those 2 two Freshman were passionate about losing that game and were obviously leaders on that team this year. Their comments were indicative of guys who wanted to win as a team. One of the two mentioned letting down the Seniors in the program. Thats commitment to your school. But according to you guys, one-and-dones cant make that sort of selfless commitment to a team.
Dont give me this BS that freshmen cant lead, particularly as highly touted a player as Simmons was.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:20 am to RedTigerRulz
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Did you happen to catch the post game interview from D Fox and M Monk after UK's loss in the tourney. Those 2 two Freshman were passionate about losing that game and were obviously leaders on that team this year. Their comments were indicative of guys who wanted to win as a team. One of the two mentioned letting down the Seniors in the program. Thats commitment to your school. But according to you guys, one-and-dones cant make that sort of selfless commitment to a team.
Amazing you can figure out the leader of a team based on a post game tournament interview. Regular season games are not like tournament games. I'm sure Ben would have cared a lot more too if the team made the tournament. Hard to give too much of a shite when you're putting up 28 points and 17 boards and still losing. The coaching and rest of team needed to step up more and they simply didn't. H obviously couldn't do it entirely by himself and we're not Kentucky with 7 5-stars on the roster.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:45 am to thunderbird1100
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Amazing you can figure out the leader of a team based on a post game tournament interview.
Are you kidding me? Why do you think they chose those two young men to interview? quote:
I'm sure Ben would have cared a lot more too if the team made the tournament
you dont know this for a fact. He showed no indication at times during the regular season.
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The coaching and rest of team needed to step up more and they simply didn't. H obviously couldn't do it entirely by himself
Agreed. Ben put up great INDIVIDUAL numbers but stats arent everything. Rick and I have had this discussion about Miles many times. His record belied the underlying problems the man had at times with X's and O's.
Ben lacked a lot of intangibles needed to get this team to the tournament. Part of that was being a freshman, part horrible coaching, part of it was knowing he was going for the $ after one year, and part of it was (IMO) the "I got mine" mentality....instead of "we got ours."
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:42 am to RedTigerRulz
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Are you kidding me? Why do you think they chose those two young men to interview?
Because it's the last college interview they'll do, and they are both great players. Doesn't mean they were the heart and soul of the team. Anyways, UK is a very different dynamic than here. They are always loaded with talented, but young players. They can kind of lean on one another, and look to the few vets usually to help lead them. Again, to expect an 18 year old to be an emotional leader on our team which had some upper classmen seems strange.
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you dont know this for a fact. He showed no indication at times during the regular season.
It's the regular season, do you not see in just about any sport the much larger passion the players have in the post-season vs. the regular season? It means way more.
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Agreed. Ben put up great INDIVIDUAL numbers but stats arent everything.
What he did was amazing as a true freshman, again, arguably the best we'll ever see here. You keep equating an INDIVIDUAL performance to a TEAM accomplishment though and this has been your problem the entire thread. You know, saying you'd take guys like Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino...or Jordan Jefferson over Zach Mettenberger. We're making fun of you because you have no clear idea what it means to have team accomplishments vs. individual performances.
You can have a great individual on a team that doesnt accomplishment big things. Likewise, you can have horrible players on teams that win it all. A TEAM'S standing isn't directly equatable to 1 player's performance. These are TEAM sports.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:49 am to Chad504boy
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He shrinks when the lights come on
Surprised you have so little downvotes, many of these ranters hate anything bad being said about "their Simmons"
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