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re: Basketball program
Posted on 2/9/10 at 4:08 pm to LSUBEATLES
Posted on 2/9/10 at 4:08 pm to LSUBEATLES
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As for this year's talent, TJ could have brought in 1 or 2 All-American types just like Brady regularly did. If that had happened, we would be fine.
You are correct in this statement. However, we would be fine for this year. Trent was not interested in a quick fix approach to LSU basketball. He knows exactly the kind of guys he wants here and made a conscious decision to be patient, do the best he could with what he has this year, and stock up with the guys he wants next year. Next year will truly be the foundational year for building the program the way he wants it, and not just a team to do well for a year.
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Posted on 2/9/10 at 4:20 pm to BR Tiger
My response was to someone saying that this year's talent is Brady's fault. Having said that, nobody has answered my question. Name me an SEC program who does not recruit NBA level players but still wins SEC titles or goes anywhere near the Final Four. I read in the paper the other day where Trent was talking about recruiting four year type players. He even alluded to them being "role" type players, although he said that is not really what he wanted to call them. Again, my question is which SEC programs win championships doing this?
Posted on 2/9/10 at 4:26 pm to aggierebel
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If you are talking about 2010-2011, I hope you are joking. There is no way LSU will be good that year. The absolute best i can see is a 6-10 conference record. That would be a huge longshot.
It's easy to turn around a year in basketball. Brady took a team to 8-13 in his last year and Trent Johnson took basically the same team to an SEC Championship the next. It's really not that large of a stretch to say we could be 8-8 in the SEC next year, maybe even a game or two above that. We are bringing in A TON of talent and only losing 1 player. Every problem this year we won't have next year.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 4:28 pm to Bobby Moore
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and Trent won the SEC last season with Brady boys. Why is he not winning with Trent boys this season?
The frick? Trent's first full class is the one he is about to bring in. Do you understand basketball recruiting? It isn't done overnight.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:00 am to thunderbird1100
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he frick? Trent's first full class is the one he is about to bring in. Do you understand basketball recruiting? It isn't done overnight.
Last year was Trent's first full class. The fact eh did not use all possible scholarships was a personal choice. Let's compare Brady's first full class in 1998 to Johnson's.
Brady
Stromile Swift
Jabari Smith
Lamont Roland
Brian Beshara
Jermaine Williams
Marques Ledoux
Collis Temple III
Brad Bridgewater
Omar Seli-Mance
Darrel Cooper
Johnson
Eddie Ludwig
Aaron Dotson
Malcolm White
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:18 am to tiger20
That futher shows that TJ wants to build a PROGRAM not a TEAM. Sure he could have used all his spots this past year amd had a somewhat better year, or wait and have a much more talented class the following year.
Mainieri did the exact same thing early on in terms of building for the future by sending Terry Rooney to the west coast while we had games on the east coast so he could recruit.
Mainieri did the exact same thing early on in terms of building for the future by sending Terry Rooney to the west coast while we had games on the east coast so he could recruit.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:21 am to tiger20
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Last year was Trent's first full class
Not really. Once again, I know YOU at least understand basketball recruiting. You don't put together a class in less than a year's time generally (understandably there are exceptions). You build relationships generally with these kids in basketball early on high school. We're seeing Trent building these relationships with these 2010 guys for a couple years while at LSU now and we're seeing the benefits of that. He's forced to recruit outside of LA a great bit once again but he had the time to recruit nationally and look what he's done.
Also, 2009 was one of the worst years for LA talent. I don't think there was a single Top 150 player in the state, so he couldn't just fall back on some local kids who were great and expect them to come. Trent had, what, 6-7 months till the early singing period for the 2009 class when he got to LSU? That's no time to put together a real first class, especially once again with no in-state talent.
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The fact eh did not use all possible scholarships was a personal choice
It was the correct choice. He had barely any time to put together a class for 2009 and there was no in-state talent. We had 4-5 more schollies to give but he wasn't going to give them out to Garrett Greens and Ben Voogds...He was looking at the future of the program and planning for it, unlike our former coach.
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 12:27 am
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:34 am to thunderbird1100
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The frick? Trent's first full class is the one he is about to bring in. Do you understand basketball recruiting? It isn't done overnight.
Exactly. Thunderbird, keep up the good work educating these fools. I enjoy reading your posts and I agree with everything you have said thus far.
Alot of these people don't understand basketball recruiting. They think about it in regards to FB, and that's an entirely different animal. Most skilled FB players are dime a dozen. Good BB talent is hard to find and recruit especially if your state does not produce much talent in the lean years.
Beatles,
Thanks for coming in and ruining yet another thread with your horseshite posts. When you get off your shift at Waffle House, make sure you bring JB home some hashbrowns and grits you bitch.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 1:30 am to thunderbird1100
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Trent had, what, 6-7 months till the early singing period for the 2009 class when he got to LSU? That's no time to put together a real first class
He had the same amount of time as Brady had to assemble the class I listed.
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You don't put together a class in less than a year's time generally (understandably there are exceptions). You build relationships generally with these kids in basketball early on high school. We're seeing Trent building these relationships with these 2010 guys for a couple years while at LSU now and we're seeing the benefits of that. He's forced to recruit outside of LA a great bit once again but he had the time to recruit nationally and look what he's done.
Presumably he had those relationships with some coaches and players before he came to LSU. What connection did Calipari have with Kentucky recruiting when he left Memphis? I am not comparing Kentucky to LSU generally, but Johnson has had a whole year longer than Calipari to establish those contacts
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It was the correct choice. He had barely any time to put together a class for 2009 and there was no in-state talent
I am not saying it was the wrong choice, it may prove to be billiant if the scholarships result in far better players and the Tigers are again successful. But, let's not claim he had no time to get established because that was disproven in 1998.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 1:37 am to Barry Badrinath
Brainless Barry, you're a NEGATIGER 
STOOGE. You know nothing about sports. I could buy and sell you like a cheap suit. Now, get JB's trophies shined, and then get me and JB some fries.
STOOGE. You know nothing about sports. I could buy and sell you like a cheap suit. Now, get JB's trophies shined, and then get me and JB some fries.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 1:48 am to LSUBEATLES
Beatles,
You don't know a goddamn thing about half the shite you talk about. So, just shut the frick up with your repetitive bullshite. "brady, brady, brady" I'd love to go up against you in a battle of wits.
And since you and tiger20 posted close to each other, i'm willing to bet it's another alter of yours. How many alters do you have?
You got Duwards, tiger81, and who else?
You are a bullshite artist fighting for a coach that brought us inconsistency and never built a program. A program.
You don't know a goddamn thing about half the shite you talk about. So, just shut the frick up with your repetitive bullshite. "brady, brady, brady" I'd love to go up against you in a battle of wits.
And since you and tiger20 posted close to each other, i'm willing to bet it's another alter of yours. How many alters do you have?
You got Duwards, tiger81, and who else?
You are a bullshite artist fighting for a coach that brought us inconsistency and never built a program. A program.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 1:56 am to Barry Badrinath
No alters. Those are just other REAL fans that are sick of you NEGATIGER STOOGES. A battle of wits with you would be a massacre. 
. Brady filled up the trophy case, which you should know by now by just judging from your aching arms. You couldn't wash Brady's jock.
STOOGES. A battle of wits with you would be a massacre. . Brady filled up the trophy case, which you should know by now by just judging from your aching arms. You couldn't wash Brady's jock.Posted on 2/10/10 at 2:05 am to cjf33
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I guess no one really understands what Brady over came what Brown left him. It is almost the same as SMU, and they still haven't recovered. To count any wins or losses in his first two years is not right. I am a Brady fan no doubt, because I have seen first hand what college coaches have to deal with to have any type of success. Most people have no idea. It's hard to have consistent success in college bb. Every two to three years having a chance is really all you can hope for these days because of the NBA. To be really successful you have to go after the lottery picks and guys who have a chance to play in the NBA. Every now and then someone will get lucky, but for the most part if you recruit four year guys you are going to be in the NIT. Every now and then you get a horse who will stay four years because his parents have money, at the end of the day that's what it is all about. Just look at the guys Brady had here and if they would have stayed ONE more year. Look at the NBA draft and see how many jr's and sr's there are, not many.
Having played for Brady, i can unequivocally say you are out of your mind. I'm not sure what you saw "first-hand", but you have no idea what you are talking about. Name me one former player (even when Brady was still here) who either liked him or respected him to the point that they stayed in touch with him after their college career?? I'll twiddle my thumbs and wait...the asnwer is zero. More than anything else that Brady did or didn't do while at LSU, i think the stat just mentioned says it all. The guy was a good defensive coach, a sub-par offensive coach (some assts were great though), and a terrible in-game coach. You can't couple that mediocrity with a bad person, which Brady somehow managed to do while still being employed for 10 years.
I look forward to hearing your response.
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 2:07 am
Posted on 2/10/10 at 2:06 am to LSUBEATLES
bullshite!
I know Tigers81 is an alter. Duward is an alter of yours.
Brady sucks. Period. The FF George Mason coach could coach circles around that clown. What was Brady's excuse the year he was fired? Taz got hurt? Where are the excuses?
Trent's a program builder.
You are a frickin half arse negatiger piece of shite for going against Trent by defending Brady. You wish Brady was still here? You want to have his baby. You miss watchin him sit on the bench bitin his fingernails and biting towels, when we were gettin our arse hammered by UAB by 30 points don't ya?
I know Tigers81 is an alter. Duward is an alter of yours.
Brady sucks. Period. The FF George Mason coach could coach circles around that clown. What was Brady's excuse the year he was fired? Taz got hurt? Where are the excuses?
Trent's a program builder.
You are a frickin half arse negatiger piece of shite for going against Trent by defending Brady. You wish Brady was still here? You want to have his baby. You miss watchin him sit on the bench bitin his fingernails and biting towels, when we were gettin our arse hammered by UAB by 30 points don't ya?
Posted on 2/10/10 at 2:24 am to Barry Badrinath
Wrong again, brainless Barry. No alters. Not against TJ. Stop making things up to make yourself feel better. Get over your alternative lifestyle obsession. Most of all, go to bed. Your brain needs the rest since it's still developing. JB was a MULTI-CHAMPION! 
Deal with it.
Deal with it.Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:28 am to LSUBEATLES
Everywhere Brady goes he wears out his welcome. No one associated with LSU cares for him, and I know for a fact that most at Samford don't either.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:54 am to Tony Camaro
Trent gets a pass for 2-3 years just like Miles gets a 2 year pass for kicking RP off the team. Both coaches should realize that their pass is up at the start of next year.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:03 am to Teacher
So you are counting a year in which TJ won the SEC as one of his years he gets a pass for?
Brilliant!
Brilliant!
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:27 am to Bubba Hotep
Ok TJ comes in year one and he sees he has enough talent to win with, but he still has to build for the future. The building has obviously started this year as opposed to his first year.
Brady having bad luck is not the reason he failed here..thats like saying Smoke had bad luck because his recruits went to the MLB instead of LSU...that is the Head Coaches fault!
Maybe Brady shouldnt have gotten so many "1 Year" guys and he wouldnt have been so up and down while he was here.
Brady having bad luck is not the reason he failed here..thats like saying Smoke had bad luck because his recruits went to the MLB instead of LSU...that is the Head Coaches fault!
Maybe Brady shouldnt have gotten so many "1 Year" guys and he wouldnt have been so up and down while he was here.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:48 am to cjgulina
Beatle and Tiger20, Lets see Brady signed point guard Ben Voogd, Trent signed point guart Andre Stringer, NUFF SAID.
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