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Posted on 6/30/17 at 11:04 am to BigSquirrel
He's done nothing at this point to be higher. In fact 81 is generous if they only go by his head coaching stint. He's got the opportunity to fly up those rankings and I sure as hell hope he does. but he's earned exactly the ranking he's got.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 11:12 am to PrairievilleTiger
No one gets all 4s and 5s.
2 or 3 5s per class is upper tier. Every few years pull 4 5s in a class.
Only 3 or 4 classes ever had 5 or 6 five stars. Bama, southern cal.
Mich, back in the day, had a class with 5 4s and 5 5s.
2 or 3 5s per class is upper tier. Every few years pull 4 5s in a class.
Only 3 or 4 classes ever had 5 or 6 five stars. Bama, southern cal.
Mich, back in the day, had a class with 5 4s and 5 5s.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 11:14 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:59 pm to Tiger1988
How many of those ranked 1-80 have a record as a HC worse than 10-25?
Hell a few ranked 82 or worse have better records. Tedford, Lovie Smith took a team to the Super Bowl, Edsall stunk at Maryland but was great at UConn.
O can move up the list if he has a 10 or even a 9 win season.
But the idolatry of Coach O, not based on his record or talent, but because of his accent and where he was born is crazy.
No other coach with a record 2 or 3 times better would have been considered a good hire.
Having said all that O is the coach I hope he wins every game and goes down as the winningiest coach in LSU history.
Hell a few ranked 82 or worse have better records. Tedford, Lovie Smith took a team to the Super Bowl, Edsall stunk at Maryland but was great at UConn.
O can move up the list if he has a 10 or even a 9 win season.
But the idolatry of Coach O, not based on his record or talent, but because of his accent and where he was born is crazy.
No other coach with a record 2 or 3 times better would have been considered a good hire.
Having said all that O is the coach I hope he wins every game and goes down as the winningiest coach in LSU history.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 3:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Fournette and later Guice broke the single game rushing record. Fournette could have easily set that last year vs Auburn and would have gone over 300 vs Syracuse if not for a questionable call.
They act like it wasnt running the ball that broke thise records. We ran for 418 and 390 in those games.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 3:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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U's offensive performance vs alabam was offensive. Isn't that what we were trying to fix/move on from?
The florida game was an inexcusable loss. Period.
Ed O's team didn't really look and perform much better than Les's team early in the season.
It's really amazing how all the sudden offensive production against weak teams has become so meaningful. When i woukd post how in 2015 lsu finished above bama,fsu,and ohio state in offensive yards per game posters would say it was meaningless because we didn't do it against the good defenses. Who knew that all of took was a change at head coach for that production to matter.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 5:12 pm to old man tiger
O gets credit for his interim record but they weren't his programs yet. The only time he had a program it was a massive failure and that's really all you can go by. The fact of the matter is the Orgeron hire is one of the worst if not worst hires LSU ever made on paper. There is no denying that fact and if you do you are being dishonest. He can turn out to be a terrific hire and tear shite up but on paper the hire is atrocious.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:14 pm to Brazos
Its to early to bash O.He inherited a team at Ole Miss void on talent. He did a good job bringing in talent for Houston to coach. We will be able to know by end of year if he will be a keeper or not.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:18 pm to tigerbytail
We'll see.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:58 pm to Brazos
Hallman archer Johnson and jones were worse hires off the top of my head.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 7/1/17 at 7:23 am to Madking
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Hallman archer Johnson and jones were worse hires off the top of my head.
Of those the only one close to as bad as O, not using 20/20 hindsight is Jones. Johnson didn't work but he took 2 different schools to the Sweet 16 to say that's worse than a guy that was 3-21 in the SEC is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 7/1/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/1/17 at 10:31 am to STRIPES
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Do you realize he has almost a complete class committed before any of them has played a single down of high school football in their Senior year? Many of these "3-star" recruits will be "4-star" recruits by the end of their Senior season. In addition, LSU is doing talent evaluations at camps with input from Dave Aranda and Matt Canada and their assistants. They do not rely on Rivals or 247 or other such nonsense to make recruiting decisions for them. Relax, LSU is in very good hands.
Get your purple glasses off. Saban recruits #1 class every year from these sites and continues to dominate. Keep fooling yourself into believing recruiting 247 three stars will compete with 5 stars. There's more to the success equation however recruiting is everything. Ask bama
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
Johnson most certainly did not take us to the sweet 16 lol it's amazing how in the spirit of bashing a coach who saved our season from being a complete failure you're willing to overrate and flat out lie about coaches the whole world knows are 10x worse. Johnny fricking Jones are you serious just because you thought he wasn't so bad when we hired him doesn't mean ppl who pay attention did I and many tiger fans knew he was a terrible coach so it's not hindsight you can check my post history. Btw isn't 20/20 hindsight exactly what you're using to bash coach O? Harping on something that happened nearly 15 years ago and ignoring what's he's done most recently. Seriously some of you ppl need to grow up and at least think about what you're saying.
This post was edited on 7/1/17 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:43 pm to Madking
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Johnson most certainly did not take us to the sweet 16 lol it's amazing how in the spirit of bashing a coach who saved our season from being a complete failure you're willing to overrate and flat out lie about coaches the whole world knows are 10x worse.
Johnson didn't work out but at the time he was hired he had taken two schools to the sweet 16. That blows Orgeron's resume out of the water.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:44 pm to MOT
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quote: Johnson most certainly did not take us to the sweet 16 lol it's amazing how in the spirit of bashing a coach who saved our season from being a complete failure you're willing to overrate and flat out lie about coaches the whole world knows are 10x worse. Johnson didn't work out but at the time he was hired he had taken two schools to the sweet 16. That blows Orgeron's resume out of the water.
This is a fact.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:44 pm to Madking
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Johnson most certainly did not take us to the sweet 16 lol it's amazing how in the spirit of bashing a coach who saved our season from being a complete failure you're willing to overrate and flat out lie about coaches the whole world knows are 10x worse
I didn't say he took LSU to the Sweet 17, I clearly said he took 2 different schools (Nevada and Stanford for the reading comprehensionally challenged) to the Sweet 16, which he in fact did, so whay exactly am I lying about?
You listed 4 coaches you said we're worse. Orgeron has not coached a full season yet so we cannot compare his actual record to anyone except I guess Hal Hunter. In other words we don't know if O will be better or worse yet based on record at LSU. So when you say worse than those 4 coaches you are using 20/20 hindsight to judge their record and pure speculation on O, which is worthless. As for as resume BEFORE coming to LSU, which is what the hire is based on, Trent Johnson blows Orgeron out of the water, that my friend is a simple fact. If you choose to believe otherwise you are only deluding yourself.
For all our sake I hope he turns out better than all 4, but then again Miles record the last 3 years was way better than those 4. In any event resume wise only Jones looked as bad going in, Archer was too inexperienced but was at least a coordinator, Hallman did have winning seasons in Mississippi, unlike Yaw Yaw.
Next time try reading and stay away from Tom Smykowskis jump to conclusions map.
This post was edited on 7/1/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:45 pm to MOT
Johnson is a bum was always a bum and will always be a bum. If you'd pay attention to hoops you'd know that.
This post was edited on 7/1/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
Um he's coached 16 games since ole miss so yea that's more than a full season. Keep trying though.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
You keep bitching about the hire well news flash genius that's over he got the job now either you're on board or you're not. You can't keep trashing the coach then saying I hope he does well that's hedging your bets and that's called being a pussy.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:51 pm to Madking
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Johnson is a bum was always a bum and will always be a bum. If you'd pay attention to hoops you'd know that.
I didn't say he isn't a bum. I said his resume in 2008 blew Orgeron's out of the water. Only total dumbasses like you and Tiger Ree would disagree or dispute that.
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