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re: At what point is Les Miles a good coach?
Posted on 10/7/09 at 7:06 am to cggeaxtigers
Posted on 10/7/09 at 7:06 am to cggeaxtigers
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This. And I would say he's very good.
More consistency is needed to be great. He's a great motivator and recruiter. He pulls out a lot of close games. He's great in coming from behind.
How much more consistency can the man show!!!! - The only person with better consistency in the WHOLE OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL is Pete Carroll - i.e. with just 1 or 2 losses each season.
Meyer, Stoops, Saban everyone has had 4 and 5 loss seasons very recently.
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The flip side is: we shouldn't be in that many close games. We haven't had a dominant performance in a long time. Talent has bailed us in several games.
He is paid to make sure we win - that is what his work performance, other clauses and bonuses are measured with - W/L and he has beaten every single coach except Petey (W/L) and Meyer (2 MNCs).
Whether the fans think that it should be more dominant or this or that doesn't mean a damn - You are all acting as though we are the only team with talent - WTF - Georgia, Florida, Bama to name just three in the SEC have recruited as well and winning against them with equal talent means that he has to have done SOMETHING.
Stop paying so much attention to the media / rivals and start thinking for yourselves. Everyone seems to point out that he is not an X and Os man - NOT A SINGLE person has pointed out a link/audio clip where they can prove this.
I think it is not even debatable that LES is in the TOPMOST TIER of college football. Sure Pete Carroll, Meyer are higher than him (for now) but none of the others have shown anything with regards to the W/L column or the Championships column to warrant being higher.
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Posted on 10/7/09 at 7:51 am to inebr8ted tiger
It will be sometime after anything becomes Obama's fault.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 7:57 am to Lou the Jew from LSU
Pete Carroll loses to an unranked team EVERY YEAR. All Les has done is prove the Naysayers wrong over and over again. Yet he is in the upper twenties of most coaching lists.
The situation this team is in right now, and last year was because Saban recruited a troubled kid, and Les wasn't going to let him drag down the entire program. Sometimes you have to take a step backward to move forward.
The horticulturists among us would call that pruning, in an effort to make the entire team healthier.
The situation this team is in right now, and last year was because Saban recruited a troubled kid, and Les wasn't going to let him drag down the entire program. Sometimes you have to take a step backward to move forward.
The horticulturists among us would call that pruning, in an effort to make the entire team healthier.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 8:04 am to inebr8ted tiger
If Les would take a public speaking class and be a little less hardheaded, his ratings would go way up even with the same record.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 8:11 am to Tiger 1964
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If Les would take a public speaking class and be a little less hardheaded, his ratings would go way up even with the same record.
See that is precisely the issue - Why the frick should his public speaking have any effect on his coaching ratings!!
We are all talking about perception and not about the facts.
The media and even a portion of our own fanbase have decided that being a used-car-salesman-glib talking is more important than win / loss records.
This post was edited on 10/7/09 at 8:12 am
Posted on 10/7/09 at 8:11 am to Tiger 1964
Hes gonna need to at least win the SEC again, and very soon, before most of the knuckleheads I know will give him any credit. I don't agree with them. I'm content. I do wish we could put a team away early though and coast through the second half for once. I'd like our offense to be more exciting to watch. It's very boring. I don't like the whole 'not show our hand' philosophy. I envy other teams offenses for coming out and playing like 'this is what we got, this is what we're gonna do to you with it, now YOU try and stop us.' That's real balls.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 8:41 am to jbg6
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3-5 in the SEC and barely beating MS State and a lowly UGA team this year gives you pause.
Only if you are an idiot,sonnyboy.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 8:42 am to jbg6
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After 5 losses last year and close games this year, I'm not sure. Glad you can see into the future though--it's a handy skill to have.
Don't need to see the future to know you and others like you are stupid jackasses, sonnyboy.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:18 am to inebr8ted tiger
All I care about are wins and championships, which Miles produces in solid numbers. So to me he is a good coach.
For anybody that cares about anything else, he will never be a good coach.
For anybody that cares about anything else, he will never be a good coach.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:20 am to inebr8ted tiger
I don't know if you've read this board, but...
Les Miles becomes a good coach on here the second he announces his departure and his replacement takes over. At that point, the next guy will never be able to do anything as well as Miles.
Les Miles becomes a good coach on here the second he announces his departure and his replacement takes over. At that point, the next guy will never be able to do anything as well as Miles.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:25 am to sabanfearsmiles
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Les Miles becomes a good coach on here the second he announces his departure and his replacement takes over. At that point, the next guy will never be able to do anything as well as Miles.
Actually it would could only be better for the board if he were to leave - go to Ole Miss - rejuvenate them and beat the hell out of us at both recruiting and on the field.
This board has the worst case of -Yearning/Pining-For-Jilted-Girlfriend ever.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:34 am to inebr8ted tiger
When he leaves and goes to another SEC school.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:45 am to CalTiger
quote:It doesn't matter what we think, the voice of the media is 1,000 times louder than ours. That's why it's up to Miles to shut them up, and he won't do it.
Stop paying so much attention to the media / rivals and start thinking for yourselves.
quote:You can watch the games to see this and listen to the post game and in game interviews, most of the time he doesn't know what he's talking about when trying to explain a certain game situation. You don't have to find a specific explanation, you can look at the body of work and come to your own conclusions.
Everyone seems to point out that he is not an X and Os man - NOT A SINGLE person has pointed out a link/audio clip where they can prove this.
This post was edited on 10/7/09 at 9:47 am
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:48 am to JPLSU1981
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Case is closed ... Miles is a good coach. there's absolutely no argument on the flip side.
The argument should be over whether or not Miles is a "great" coach ... that's the only thing up for debate.
Anyone that says Les Miles isn't a good coach is just an idiot looking for attention.
I am definitely a Miles supporter. This, to me, is very accurate though. 'Good' is a given to me at this point. 'Great' takes more time.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:55 am to CalTiger
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See that is precisely the issue - Why the frick should his public speaking have any effect on his coaching ratings!!
We are all talking about perception and not about the facts.
The media and even a portion of our own fanbase have decided that being a used-car-salesman-glib talking is more important than win / loss records.
You are correct in that the perception is the reality. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then most people will assume it's a duck.
The Bear was an awful speaker, but he always told it like it was and didn't say things that people knew were not the truth. Of course winning all those championships certainly helped too. And nobody ever addressed him as "Paul"...it was always "Coach".
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:55 am to inebr8ted tiger
To all the rantards on here, it's when he writes a book called, "How Great Do You Want To Be", go coach at another school and use the same cover with different colors. In other words, become the greatest bullshite artist to fool everyone in that you coach great in every game and never lose.....bullshite artist, Les is not, and I like it that way....
Posted on 10/7/09 at 10:24 am to therocketscientist
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It is not as simple as pointing to W's and L's, it is HOW we play and how the program looks as a result of that.
Yes it is...he gets paid for winning and keeping the program clean...period.
The reason people on this board have a problem with our GREAT head coach is because of unreal and mis-placed expectations.
We are upset because a game is too close? We don't dominate when we win? This is retarded.
On a slightly different note along the same lines, if I hear one more person say we won because of talent, despite our coaching, I am going to scream. This is the most retarded of all retarded arguments. If there is some poor decisions that the coaches make during a game, so be it, but there has to be good coaching to put them in a position to win not to mention recruiting the talent to begin with...you can't put a bunch of talented kids on the field and win without coaching so how are they winning despite it?
Posted on 10/7/09 at 10:35 am to inebr8ted tiger
Those calls like right before halftime against UGA make him look not so bright. Just sayin.
At least so far they havnt hurt him.
At least so far they havnt hurt him.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 10:51 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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You can watch the games to see this and listen to the post game and in game interviews, most of the time he doesn't know what he's talking about when trying to explain a certain game situation.
That is exactly what I was referring to earlier. It could be (and maybe is) highly likely that
1. Either he just isn't a good public speaker
Hence and/or
2. Merely tolerant of interviews and doesn't care to elaborate on stuff and likes being vague.
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You don't have to find a specific explanation, you can look at the body of work and come to your own conclusions.
Because when I do what you way declare "Look at the body of work" -which in coaching can mean only one thing - Win/Loss and a clean program - the only conclusion that I can draw is that he is a VERY VERY Successful coach - there is nothing definitive or objective there to prove your point.
You are pointing to behaviour exhibited during the game - why should it have anything to do with his X's and Os?
Isn't it possible that the aforementioned issues of public speaking and vaguely condemned doofusness has led us to agree (without any proper substantiation) that Miles doesn't do Xs and Os?
Posted on 10/7/09 at 11:55 am to therocketscientist
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It is not as simple as pointing to W's and L's,
I think you are mistaken. It's just that simple..."just win, baby!" Everything else is little more than window dressing and after the huffing and puffing is over, it doesn't mean squat.
Anyone thinking 47-11 in 4+ yrs in the SEC with 4 bowl wins and a national title doesn't denote a coach as "good", needs to look around at the college landscape and see where LSU is/has been located in the last 5 yrs....if you need help...we in the hi cotton area based off results. imo
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