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Arnsparger showed LSU its potential
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:20 pm
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Arnsparger did make it to Birmingham on Nov. 8 for the Alabama game and won it 14-10 on his way to LSU’s first SEC title since McClendon’s 1970 Tigers. (And yes, the SEC office was in Birmingham at that time, and apparently such an unfair bias did not help the Tide as that was its third of four straight losses to LSU in Birmingham.) Arnsparger was compared to the gruff Bear Bryant, the former Alabama coach who died just weeks after the 1982 season, after he went 2-0-1 against Alabama. Arnsparger is the only LSU coach other than Paul Dietzel (2-0 in 1957-58) and Albert P. Simmons (1-0 in 1895) to go undefeated against Bama.
“Arnie’s Army” then went to its second Sugar Bowl — or BCS type bowl if you would prefer — in three seasons. No football coach in LSU history had a better record after three seasons (1984-86) than Arnsparger at 26-8-2 overall and 13-3-2 in the SEC until Les Miles threw up a 34-6 and a 19-5 in his first three seasons (2005-07). Arnsparger never finished lower than second in the SEC in his three seasons, and that was before divisional play. He was the first to do that over three years since Bernie Moore from 1935-37. Only Miles has done something comparable since as he had the first or second best league record from 2005-07.
Before Arnsparger, LSU had not had back-to-back seasons of nine wins or more since 1972 and ’73. It had not gone to two New Year’s Day bowls in three years since reaching the Sugar in the 1964 season and the Cotton in the 1965 season. There was an 0-for-3 run in the bowl games and a bout with NCAA probation under his term for recruiting violations, but that ended with only minor sanctions.
And then, just like that, he was gone. Feuding with LSU athletic director Bob Brodhead, who brought him to LSU a year after he was with the Dolphins in a fourth Super Bowl (XVII) in the 1982 season, Arnsparger left to become Florida’s athletic director. He left a very good team. Archer took the 1987 Tigers to a 10-1-1 mark — LSU’s first double-digit win season since 1961— and a SEC title in 1988.
Arnsparger did make it to Birmingham on Nov. 8 for the Alabama game and won it 14-10 on his way to LSU’s first SEC title since McClendon’s 1970 Tigers. (And yes, the SEC office was in Birmingham at that time, and apparently such an unfair bias did not help the Tide as that was its third of four straight losses to LSU in Birmingham.) Arnsparger was compared to the gruff Bear Bryant, the former Alabama coach who died just weeks after the 1982 season, after he went 2-0-1 against Alabama. Arnsparger is the only LSU coach other than Paul Dietzel (2-0 in 1957-58) and Albert P. Simmons (1-0 in 1895) to go undefeated against Bama.
“Arnie’s Army” then went to its second Sugar Bowl — or BCS type bowl if you would prefer — in three seasons. No football coach in LSU history had a better record after three seasons (1984-86) than Arnsparger at 26-8-2 overall and 13-3-2 in the SEC until Les Miles threw up a 34-6 and a 19-5 in his first three seasons (2005-07). Arnsparger never finished lower than second in the SEC in his three seasons, and that was before divisional play. He was the first to do that over three years since Bernie Moore from 1935-37. Only Miles has done something comparable since as he had the first or second best league record from 2005-07.
Before Arnsparger, LSU had not had back-to-back seasons of nine wins or more since 1972 and ’73. It had not gone to two New Year’s Day bowls in three years since reaching the Sugar in the 1964 season and the Cotton in the 1965 season. There was an 0-for-3 run in the bowl games and a bout with NCAA probation under his term for recruiting violations, but that ended with only minor sanctions.
And then, just like that, he was gone. Feuding with LSU athletic director Bob Brodhead, who brought him to LSU a year after he was with the Dolphins in a fourth Super Bowl (XVII) in the 1982 season, Arnsparger left to become Florida’s athletic director. He left a very good team. Archer took the 1987 Tigers to a 10-1-1 mark — LSU’s first double-digit win season since 1961— and a SEC title in 1988.
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Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:41 pm to blackjackjackson
I always like Coach Arnsparger. He was a great coach. May he RIP.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 10:35 pm to blackjackjackson
Good for GG
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:40 pm to white beans
He left a team that he had built to win a NC! I cannot imagine what he and Brodhead had issues with. Brodhead should have been kissing his butt for putting together a high quality team.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:04 am to Malaysian Tiger
From what I recall Broadhead had the reputation of being a bit of an arse hole. Think Nick Saban personality. Arnsparger was getting up in years and just decided that he didn't have to put up with the bullshite. Understand that is rumour from long ago. Take it with a grain of salt.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:41 am to Malaysian Tiger
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He left a team that he had built to win a NC! I cannot imagine what he and Brodhead had issues with.
I don't think Brodhead ran him off. They butted heads a lot but could, ultimately, work together when it counted.
What Arnie probably grew tired of was the "catastrophe syndrome" from some LSU fans that also gave Saban needless headaches. After the Miami of Ohio loss, the fans really got down on him, and he probably figured that he didn't need to be taking all of that flack after all he had done for the program and then took a more serious look at Florida's AD offer.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:50 am to TheDude321
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What Arnie probably grew tired of was the "catastrophe syndrome" from some LSU fans that also gave Saban needless headaches. After the Miami of Ohio loss, the fans really got down on him, and he probably figured that he didn't need
I don't think that was it at all. He felt the basketball program was out of control and Broadhead made it worse with the bugging incident. He thought it was killing his recruiting and that, from all I've heard is what he got tired of and said to hell with this about.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 8:18 am to blackjackjackson
quote:I agree with this. I think he started a "New Age" in LSU football.
Arnsparger showed LSU its potential
Posted on 7/20/15 at 9:54 am to Gray Tiger
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Arnsparger was getting up in years and just decided that he didn't have...
This. Arnsparger was a crotchety old man upon arriving and never related to the players. He was told he needed to be more involved with recruiting and he all but refused. Sam Nader, Pete Jenkins,Archer and Mangurian (sp?)were the backbone in getting the recruits. Arnsparger put that staff together but it was the assistants that built those teams that "showed LSU its potential".
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/20/15 at 9:55 am to tigerpawl
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I agree with this. I think he started a "New Age" in LSU football.
He was what LSU needed back then, but I don't know if I'd go that far. We were still hit and miss from 1984 through 1988. Sure we had 5 decent years from the time he came, and I know he was only here for 3 seasons, but we were still prone to be embarrassed on any Saturday by a good team. I think in 2000, that is when the "new age" really began.
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 9:58 am
Posted on 7/20/15 at 10:06 am to blackjackjackson
Stovall left Arnsparger a stacked roster.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:54 pm to blackjackjackson
I wish people would not link Gill-blow stories without a warning.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:10 pm to blackjackjackson
Posted on 7/20/15 at 3:13 pm to Gray Tiger
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From what I recall Broadhead had the reputation of being a bit of an arse hole. Think Nick Saban personality. Arnsparger was getting up in years and just decided that he didn't have to put up with the bullshite. Understand that is rumour from long ago. Take it with a grain of salt.
Brodhead and Arns did not mesh well in terms of personalities. Brodhead indicated in his book that Arnsparger had read the Dale Brown interview with Sports Illustrated and came to his house one Sunday morning demanding that he fire Dale Brown because the comments were going to severely damage his ability to recruit football players. Brodhead refused and the war went up a notch.
Keep in mind, however, that was Brodhead's side of the story. That said, people knew they didn't get along. I am not sure how much longer Brodhead would have lasted himself, but his bugging his own office was the last straw.
The other historical problem was the LSU Board of Supervisors tendency to want to directly involve itself with the football coach. You had people making decisions who didn't know a goddamned thing about football but were enjoying the high that the power brought with the position. That shite never really came to an end until Skip Bertman became Athletic Director and Mark Emmert came on campus.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:21 pm to damnedoldtigah
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Brodhead'
The most ingenious, yet self-centered and egotistical prick in the history of LSU athletics.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:27 pm to blackjackjackson
Perhaps, but Coach Arnsparger bolting for the Florida AD job left us with Archmanardo.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:05 pm to damnedoldtigah
Both Broadhead (CFO) and Arnsparger (D.C.)worked for the Miami Dolphins organization prior to coming to LSU. So they probably already knew of each other, although you wouldn't think had much interaction before coming here.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 7:59 pm to vjp819
His teams were stacked with Stovall's recruits...Dalton Hilliard, Gary James and company.
We were loaded with talent when he walked in. Then Archer recruited a bunch of thugs from Texas who never saw the field and the rest was history.
We were loaded with talent when he walked in. Then Archer recruited a bunch of thugs from Texas who never saw the field and the rest was history.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 2:34 am
Posted on 7/20/15 at 8:06 pm to Hoya Saxa
quote:He was the Giants coach for the Eagles' "Miracle at the Meadowlands," where to end the game they only had to kneel it, but chose to run a play and Joe Picarsik, the QB fumbled trying to hand off to Larry Csonka. Herman Edwards picked it up and the rest (Arnsparger's NFL HC career included) is history.
I did not know that he had been the NY Giants head coach briefly.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 12:09 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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He was the Giants coach for the Eagles' "Miracle at the Meadowlands,"
Nope.
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