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Alabama or Bust - The LSU Program
Posted on 11/17/15 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 6:58 pm
There has obviously been a lot of talk on this board about Miles falling to 0-5 in his last several contests against Alabama and Nick Saban. Talks of ineptitude and coaching changes. But for reference, consider this alarming fact: all but one National Championship that has been won since Nick Saban returned to CFB has run through the Alabama program.
2007 National Champion LSU beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa
2008 National Champion Florida beat Alabama in SEC Championship
2009 National Champion Alabama Crimson Tide
2010 National Champion Auburn beat Alabama in Iron Bowl
2011 SEC Champion LSU beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa
2011 National Champion Alabama beat SEC Champion LSU in BCSNC
2012 National Champion Alabama Crimson Tide
2013 National Champion Florida St. beat SEC Champion Auburn in BCSNC
2014 National Champion Ohio St beat SEC Champion Alabama in CFB playoff
But the Alabama program has dominated in conference as well. Pending the result of the upcoming Iron Bowl, Alabama will have a .750 against every conference opponent save for S. Carolina, who it has played only twice.
SEC Records against Alabama since 2008:
5-2 (.286) Auburn.............. 1-1 (.500) S. Carolina
6-2 (.250) Ole Miss........... 4-1 (.200) Florida
7-2 (.222) LSU.................. 1-0 (.000) Vanderbilt
3-1 (.250) Texas AM......... 2-0 (.000) Missouri
8-0 (.000) Arkansas.......... 3-0 (.000) Georgia
8-0 (.000) Miss St............. 3-0 (.000) Kentucky
.......................................... 8-0 (.000) Tennessee
Note: This is not an attempt to absolve Les Miles in any way. Since Miles's last SEC Championship, Alabama, Auburn, Missouri, Georgia, and Florida have all made the trip to Atlanta and if we still consider ourselves among the SEC's elite, Miles must win the division (and therein the conference) in the last year of his assistant's contracts or it is time to move in a different direction.
The intention of this thread is moreso to sway any who believe that simply replacing Les Miles is the answer to our woes. While a fine coach, I do not believe that Jimbo Fisher, despite winning a national championship, has shown what is necessary to beat this particular program on an annual basis. Since taking over for Bobby Bowden in 2010, Jimbo Fisher is just 2-6 in games where FSU is the underdog... a very relevant statistic regarding the present matter.
Then the question becomes, if Les Miles and Jimbo Fisher (though I expect some resistance regarding this belief), each of whom own a NC ring are not able to lead this program against Alabama, then what coach is?
TL;DR: Alabama staaaaacked, LSU fuuuuuuuucked
2007 National Champion LSU beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa
2008 National Champion Florida beat Alabama in SEC Championship
2009 National Champion Alabama Crimson Tide
2010 National Champion Auburn beat Alabama in Iron Bowl
2011 SEC Champion LSU beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa
2011 National Champion Alabama beat SEC Champion LSU in BCSNC
2012 National Champion Alabama Crimson Tide
2013 National Champion Florida St. beat SEC Champion Auburn in BCSNC
2014 National Champion Ohio St beat SEC Champion Alabama in CFB playoff
But the Alabama program has dominated in conference as well. Pending the result of the upcoming Iron Bowl, Alabama will have a .750 against every conference opponent save for S. Carolina, who it has played only twice.
SEC Records against Alabama since 2008:
5-2 (.286) Auburn.............. 1-1 (.500) S. Carolina
6-2 (.250) Ole Miss........... 4-1 (.200) Florida
7-2 (.222) LSU.................. 1-0 (.000) Vanderbilt
3-1 (.250) Texas AM......... 2-0 (.000) Missouri
8-0 (.000) Arkansas.......... 3-0 (.000) Georgia
8-0 (.000) Miss St............. 3-0 (.000) Kentucky
.......................................... 8-0 (.000) Tennessee
Note: This is not an attempt to absolve Les Miles in any way. Since Miles's last SEC Championship, Alabama, Auburn, Missouri, Georgia, and Florida have all made the trip to Atlanta and if we still consider ourselves among the SEC's elite, Miles must win the division (and therein the conference) in the last year of his assistant's contracts or it is time to move in a different direction.
quote:
According to a NOLA.com report, Miles' buyout terms in the proposed deal are in LSU’s favor. If Miles is terminated without cause in any of the first three years (thru 2015) of the contract, he receives $15 million; $12.9 million in years four or five (thru 2017); $8.6 million in year six (2018); and in year seven, $4.3 million (2019).
The intention of this thread is moreso to sway any who believe that simply replacing Les Miles is the answer to our woes. While a fine coach, I do not believe that Jimbo Fisher, despite winning a national championship, has shown what is necessary to beat this particular program on an annual basis. Since taking over for Bobby Bowden in 2010, Jimbo Fisher is just 2-6 in games where FSU is the underdog... a very relevant statistic regarding the present matter.
Then the question becomes, if Les Miles and Jimbo Fisher (though I expect some resistance regarding this belief), each of whom own a NC ring are not able to lead this program against Alabama, then what coach is?
TL;DR: Alabama staaaaacked, LSU fuuuuuuuucked
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 6:59 pm to chilge1
quote:
TL;DR: Arkansas not staaaaacked, LSU still fuuuuuuuucked
FIFY
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:01 pm to chilge1
How about we get a coach that can beat Arkansas regularly then?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:03 pm to Laman1978
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about we get a coach that can beat Arkansas regularly then?
Know someone better than saban because he didn't do that here either?
I know that might hurt some lsu saban fan feelings
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:04 pm to Laman1978
quote:
How about we get a coach that can beat Arkansas regularly then?
Y'all need to make up your minds. Do you want to beat Arkansas or do you want to win championships? The rhetoric changes so fast that it's hard to keep up.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:04 pm to chilge1
Valid points, but what makes it hard to accept that Bama is just a better program is LSU's success at NFL placement. That's a greater indication of talent than recruiting rankings. If LSU is on par or even above Bama talent wise, why are the results so different.
Of course, the danger with a new coaching staff is that it fails to acquire the same talent that has been running through the program. But, the right hire will keep that talent and put it in position to excel.
So there's risk, but I think our fans are ready to take it after these frustrating years.
Of course, the danger with a new coaching staff is that it fails to acquire the same talent that has been running through the program. But, the right hire will keep that talent and put it in position to excel.
So there's risk, but I think our fans are ready to take it after these frustrating years.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:07 pm to chilge1
quote:
The rhetoric changes so fast that it's hard to keep up.
The fans that are having fun trashing their supposed favorite program this week move the goal posts at rapid speed
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:08 pm to chilge1
TL;DR: LSU Stacked, LSU frickedddd
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:08 pm to TheWalrus
quote:
but what makes it hard to accept that Bama is just a better program is LSU's success at NFL placement.
90% of lsu's nfl placement is skill positions and not on the lines. That's where we have been losing a lot of our games.
Hard to judge strictly by "nfl talent" when most of them are just skill and our line play has been mediocre.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:09 pm to chilge1
quote:Did you miss my sarcasm? My point is that Miles can't even beat Arkansas when it matters. It's worse than just his inability to beat Bama.
Y'all need to make up your minds. Do you want to beat Arkansas or do you want to win championships? The rhetoric changes so fast that it's hard to keep up.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:14 pm to BeeFense5
quote:Having fun? Trust me, bro... this isn't fun. I much rather be talking about LSU possibly making the playoffs. Miles supporters are the ones "having fun" trying to twist logic in order to prove their point that LSU will always have a program 2nd rate to Bama and Miles is the best we can do. To Hell with that loser mentality!
The fans that are having fun trashing their supposed favorite program this week move the goal posts at rapid speed
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:21 pm to chilge1
quote:
Note: This is not an attempt to absolve Les Miles in any way. Since Miles's last SEC Championship, Alabama, Auburn, Missouri, Georgia, and Florida have all made the trip to Atlanta and if we still consider ourselves among the SEC's elite, Milesmust win the division (and therein the conference) in the last year of his assistant's contracts or it is time to move in a different direction.
I agree, but let's not lump the east into this when those teams don't play Bama or LSU every year. The team that does is UF. LSU did their job and has won 5 out of 6 against them.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:22 pm to TheWalrus
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Valid points, but what makes it hard to accept that Bama is just a better program is LSU's success at NFL placement.
Since 2007:
LSU
52 Draft Selections (13 from 2007-08), 20 Underclassmen
Alabama
48 Draft Selections (4 from 2007-08)
While I don't know the number of underclassmen Alabama has had drafted and don't have the desire to research, I can state with certainty that it is fewer than LSU has had over the same time frame. Combine that with the fact that from 2009-14, Alabama has had 44 draft selections to LSU's 39, and I think you can see that the talent discrepancy on the field is certainly there.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:23 pm to Laman1978
So now last week mattered? You wouldn't have known that by the way the rant was acting clear into the Thursday before the Arkansas game. Almost everyone including the team basically bet their season on that one game when they should have approached it as playing with house money since the worst that could happen was a tied record with 3 games left to play. Anything could literally happen. Two other hopefuls fell last weekend. If only they could've stayed focused.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:28 pm to TheWalrus
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So there's risk, but I think our fans are ready to take it after these frustrating years.
I think it may be time, but people need to understand that moving on from Miles is more likely to end the "Golden Era" of LSU football than it is to usher in the "Platinum Era." Ironically, with the way the 2014-16 recruiting classes are shaping up, the LSU coach in 2018-19 will have some serious talent to work with, whether or not that man is Miles.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:29 pm to Laman1978
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Having fun? Trust me, bro... this isn't fun. I much rather be talking about LSU possibly making the playoffs. Miles supporters are the ones "having fun" trying to twist logic in order to prove their point that LSU will always have a program 2nd rate to Bama and Miles is the best we can do. To Hell with that loser mentality!
I am a big Miles fan, its time he retires. But people like me and Choctaw and beefense just call out the bullshite. So many people are diminishing what he's done at LSU and act like anyone can come in here and do better. Saban didn't even do better here.
That is all, no one is arguing Les doesn't have the fire anymore. It's the other assholes that bad mouth him and try and bash the guys character. They kept their mouth shut for 9 weeks. Loss comes and they flood the board, just waiting to say I told you Miles was an idiot.
But don't act like he wasnt a great coach for LSU. The chance our next coach even reaches over 100 wins here is very slim.
So lets just hope Alleva doesn't screw this up. I don't see a former player and assistant sitting at a North Texas ready to get back to LSU. Which is how he got his only decent hire, and that's still up for debate until the end of March.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:34 pm to dgnx6
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So many people are diminishing what he's done at LSU and act like anyone can come in here and do better.
A vocal minority of our fanbase is really the worst in all of CFB. It's as though it's impossible to move on from a coach without belittling everything that he's accomplished and/or hating him for it.
Gerry DiNardo is a fool who left the cupboard completely bare before Nick Saban took over.
Nick Saban is the scumbag who left LSU in the 11th hr and then signed with a division rival and has owned our arse for 10 yrs.
Les Miles is a moron who squanders the best in-state talent in the country.
Meanwhile, you have USCe fans who put Spurrier's name up in the ring of honor on their stadium as the winningest coach in program history after he splits midseason following a natural disaster and state of emergency in Columbia.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:35 pm to chilge1
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Combine that with the fact that from 2009-14, Alabama has had 44 draft selections to LSU's 39, and I think you can see that the talent discrepancy on the field is certainly there.
You also have to look at what positions are being drafted, Bama has more olinemen and linebackers, that I know for sure. That's a big issue. LSU may have a bunch of wrs and dbs drafted, but that isn't winning you championships.
That is also a product of the area you recruit. LA is loaded with athletes, not the guys in the trenches.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:37 pm to BeeFense5
Saban has never lost to ARK at ALA.
certainly not 5x
certainly never at home(twice for miles)
certainly not 5x
certainly never at home(twice for miles)
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:37 pm to dgnx6
I don't give a crap who the coach is. I just want LSU to win championships. If Miles stays and goes undefeated to win a National Championship next season, I'd be just as happy as if ANYONE did it.
And yes, he has been a good coach. I just think we're overdue for a change.
And yes, he has been a good coach. I just think we're overdue for a change.
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