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re: 2 reasons why an 8 team playoff will fail
Posted on 7/8/09 at 9:43 pm to VernonPLSUfan
Posted on 7/8/09 at 9:43 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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Rotate the three bowls like they do now. WTF, whats the problem
Bowls are the problem. You can't use the bowls as realistic venues. For example, Say WVU make the "playoffs" and starts at the Orange bowl. They win. Are you realistically expecting their fan base to put out more cash to travel to Pasadena for the championship? Get rid of the bowls. have the playoffs at the higher seed sight. 1-AA doesn't seem to have a problem.
As frustrating as it is, I do not want a playoff.
This post was edited on 7/8/09 at 9:47 pm
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 9:50 pm to Tmon225
Start with an 8 team playoff.
Once the 8th seeded team wins once or twice that would be rationale for expanding the # of teams.
Until then, we can be fairly confident that we've bracketed the best team among the 8 teams.
Ta-Da!
Once the 8th seeded team wins once or twice that would be rationale for expanding the # of teams.
Until then, we can be fairly confident that we've bracketed the best team among the 8 teams.
Ta-Da!
Posted on 7/8/09 at 9:55 pm to SpqrTiger
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I promise you 100% that a playoff system will RUIN the fun of college football.
Oh, but it works so well in 1-AA, you say? Division 1 is a whole other animal.
First, I agree with you. No playoffs ....
but, can you imagine how sweet it would be to have "playoff atmosphere" at Tiger Stadium? or the Swamp?
Posted on 7/8/09 at 10:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
SloFlo's links are another illustration of just how complex this issue is. The more you read about the other systems, the more doubts arise about those systems. Perhaps we first need to agree on values, principles. For example, I think the following are indispensable values in this debate: finding the best team should trump finding the "most deserving team," whatever that is; rewarding teams with the tougher schedules should trump rewarding teams with more wins. Perhaps a part of rewarding teams with tougher schedules is the idea that the regular season should remain important; it is what drives interest within the SEC certainly and probably within other good conferences such as the Big 12: see a game like Oklahoma v. Texas in 2008.
Posted on 7/9/09 at 7:28 am to TigerBait1127
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want a 4 team playoff, but thats just me
+1
This is what I would do. Keep the BCS Standings and bring back strength of schedule. At the end, the top 4 BCS teams will play in a semi-final game kind of like a conference championship in the NFL. 1 will play 4 and 2 will play 3. The top two teams host the semi-final game at their home stadium. The games would be played 2 weeks after the college conference championship games. The two winners go on to play in the BCS Title game. The two losers get places in a BCS Bowl with their usual tie ins a la SEC/Sugar Pac-10/Rose etc... In my opinion, I think 4 teams are truly enough to be worthy of a shot at a national title. Otherwise you would be looking at the possibility of a 3-loss team possibly slipping in to win a national title somehow.(You know USC would try to pull something like that off if they could haha)
Posted on 7/9/09 at 8:56 am to Mattgobear
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it cheapens the importance of the regular season
this
Unfortunately I think it is moving towards a +1 system to determine the national champion, in order to appease all the Orrin Hatch's of the world.
Posted on 7/9/09 at 9:04 am to SpqrTiger
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First of all, there will always be teams that think they "should" have made the playoffs, but didn't, even if you had a 64-team playoff.
I don't really care what the third place team in the ACC or Big Ten or even the SEC thinks about not being in the playoffs. Like others have said, if the controversy is over who's #8, that's a whole lot better than arguing over who the top 2 teams are.
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Secondly, it cheapens the importance of the regular season. Don't even try to argue it. It DOES.
This is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. If you don't win your regular season games, then you don't make the playoffs. And don't even try to give that weak ole "the regular season is a playoff" garbage. A playoff is win or go home. Do you think the LSU players or fans will ever accept losing to Auburn, Bama, or Florida? You're crazy if you do.
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Thirdly, even though there MAY be too bowl games... if there's 36 of them, that means 18 teams end the season happy. In a playoff system, only one team ends the season happy. That's just what we need... greater emphasis placed on winning at all costs in college football.
Boo freakin hoo!! Only one can be the best, what a freaking concept. Welcome to life!! That is why winning a championship is so sweet because it's not easy. LSU won the college world series, they weren't just annointed champ. We could say we were champs, but Texas would have had just as much a claim to it.
I've rambled now, and I hate when people do that! Don't take this personally, I'm sure you're a cool dude, I just don't understand how every level of every sport in America has a playoff, except Division 1-A (I refuse to acknowledge FBS!).
Posted on 7/9/09 at 9:25 am to duboisd
Give me an 8 team playoff!
Keep the BCS ranking system. Top 8 get in....period. Undefeated from lower conference usually ranked in top 8 anyway.
1-A (FBS) NEEDS A DAMNED PLAYOFF!!!!
Keep the BCS ranking system. Top 8 get in....period. Undefeated from lower conference usually ranked in top 8 anyway.
1-A (FBS) NEEDS A DAMNED PLAYOFF!!!!
Posted on 7/9/09 at 9:28 am to Tmon225
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There will almost always be 5 or 6 with identical records teams vying for the last 2 spots, so someone will always feel jobbed, just like the BCS
I would rather 5 or 6 teams feel jobbed for the last place spot than the current 3 teams feel jobbed for the 1st place spot.
Posted on 7/9/09 at 9:35 am to TopWaterTiger
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1-A (FBS) NEEDS A DAMNED PLAYOFF!!!!
Word!
Posted on 7/9/09 at 9:36 am to Tmon225
You can't have a playoff unless every team has the same number of bye weeks. USC has 3 bye weeks and LSU has only 2
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Posted on 7/9/09 at 9:37 am to biglego
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No matter what, there will always be a controversy. There will always be a deserving team left out. And there will also be times when a playoff gives a less-deserving team a shot it shouldnt have against an undefeated or 1-loss team.
Would you rather put the "controversy" with the top and only two teams, or the bottom two teams in the 8-team playoffs? There's controversy with the NCAA tournament too, but how often do the last teams to get in actually compete for the title? The "controversy" in a playoff doesn't usually affect who plays for the championship, just who gets in. In other words, which system is more likely to leave one of the top teams that should be playing for the title out? As it is now, or by including more teams?
This post was edited on 7/9/09 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/9/09 at 10:26 am to JudgeBoyett
hey duboisd, imagine LSU #1 in the country, undefeated going into the ark game. you think they would give a f if they win or lose that game. no, they will be in the sec championship game, and the playoff (unless, of course, ark is also undefeated going into the game as well).
but you are right, it won't cheapen the reg season! you are an idiot
but you are right, it won't cheapen the reg season! you are an idiot
Posted on 7/9/09 at 10:34 am to duboisd
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Secondly, it cheapens the importance of the regular season. Don't even try to argue it. It DOES.
This is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. If you don't win your regular season games, then you don't make the playoffs. And don't even try to give that weak ole "the regular season is a playoff" garbage. A playoff is win or go home. Do you think the LSU players or fans will ever accept losing to Auburn, Bama, or Florida? You're crazy if you do.
I agree that those games would be just as important, but instead of saying, "oh damn, we lost and we are out of the BCS." With a playoff, it would be, "Damn we lost, oh well, at least we can still make the playoffs."
The regular season IS A PLAYOFF.
Posted on 7/9/09 at 10:42 am to mikedatyger
well put mike
Posted on 7/9/09 at 11:20 am to EasyE
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you are an idiot
We can argue this all day. Anyone that has ever played football, or any sport for that matter, knows that it sucks to lose. I understand the argument to not ruin the regular season, but there is no balance in regular season scheduling. If a team goes 11-0 and loses their 12th game, are they any less worthy of a shot at the title than a team that lost in week 1?
Posted on 7/9/09 at 11:23 am to duboisd
Even if we went back to the old system with bowl tie-ins, then have the top four teams play it off that would be better than the BcS we have now.
Posted on 7/9/09 at 11:29 am to duboisd
If LSU plays Texas in Arizona and USC plays Nebraska in New Orleans, winners going to the championship game to be played in Miami, which game do you go to? You can only go to one.
Playoff system would be great for TV, lots of $$ and hype, but BAD for the players and the fans who travel.
Playoff system would be great for TV, lots of $$ and hype, but BAD for the players and the fans who travel.
Posted on 7/9/09 at 12:49 pm to LSU Tigerhead
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BAD for the players and the fans who travel.
This is the only argument that I'm willing to accept (not that it matters what I accept). That is why I like 8 teams with higher seed hosting and championship on neutral field.
Posted on 7/9/09 at 12:57 pm to Tmon225
Have 8 big conferences. Then let the 8 conference champions play a playoff. Of course, some of the perennial rent a victory teams will have to be forced out of Division I. Finally, keep the current bowl system in place.
That eliminates your 2 reasons.
That eliminates your 2 reasons.
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