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re: 2 reasons why an 8 team playoff will fail

Posted on 7/8/09 at 6:56 pm to
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 6:56 pm to
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so whatever governining body is going to rent the same venue every year for 2 weeks, with that venue likely not being used every year (maybe not even every other year)? no wa



The venues would theoretically be hosted by the teams in the playoff until two teams remain; at that point it would be moved to a neutral site (and that the date the game would be played would remain constant; with enough buffer time between the end of the season and postseason to accommodate for any amount of teams that play) according to xiv's hypothetical.

You are saying that is 100% unworkable?
This post was edited on 7/8/09 at 6:57 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 6:58 pm to
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hosted by the teams in the playoff

can
of
worms

do you realize the revenue inequality that would arise if schools had possibly 2 more home games?

that's $6-8M for a team possibly
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:02 pm to
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can
of
worms

do you realize the revenue inequality that would arise if schools had possibly 2 more home games?

that's $6-8M for a team possibly


They'd be the teams with the higher seeds though. Couldn't it be argued they earned the right to host those games by earning a higher seed?

That would bring up the issue of seeding in this hypothetical; and past #2 that gets a little fuzzy as well... and that would lead to controversy over that theoretical revenue...

God damnit. You win
This post was edited on 7/8/09 at 7:05 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:07 pm to
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Couldn't it be argued they earned the right to host those games by earning a higher seed?

oh you could argue it

the non-BCS would flip their shite (i'm sure the big conferences would require a % of that money to go to the conference)

this is one major problem. playoffs of anything less than 8 teams will all but eliminate non-BCS teams from the money tree. they have it good now, with special rules to get them money. they will flip out if they can't win a title or share in the $

IF YOU ADD HOME GAMES ON TOP OF THAT, it will make the difference even greater

the BCS for all intents and purposes is neutral. hell it limits BCS conferences to 2 schools. it's as even of a money split as you'll see
Posted by TigerLifer
Stuart, Fl
Member since Jan 2009
121 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:08 pm to
If the intention of creating a national college football tournament is an attempt to reduce the amount of schools that complain about being left out, forget about it. The NCAA Basketball Tournament extends invitations to 64 teams and still there are teams that feel they were treated unfairly by the system. The media likes to take shots at the BCS because the BCS selection process reduced the amount of input/control they had over the selection of the national champion. The BCS may not be perfect, but in this case, perfection will never be acheived.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:09 pm to
I've always thought it was pretty simple, 4 team playoff is good, but not quite enough, 8 is too many, 6 is the right number. Just like one half of the nfl playoffs, #1 & #2 get byes, the first four playoff games are the 4 major bowls, and the championship game rotates between the 4 major bowls.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:10 pm to
with 6 spots you'd have to just let BCS conference winners in, and that will be fricked up
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:11 pm to
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The NCAA Basketball Tournament extends invitations to 64 teams and still there are teams that feel they were treated unfairly by the system

and people always gloss over one fact

THE AT LARGE TEAMS ARE PICKED BY A MYSTERY COMMITTEE WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY

at least the BCS gives parameters for teams to know what is needed
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:15 pm to
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at least the BCS gives parameters for teams to know what is needed


Thank god the AP Poll is no longer used in the BCS. Some of the people that participate in that poll are completely clueless.

I can only hope that situation has been improved with the alterations of 2004.
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:16 pm to
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i want a 4 team playoff, but thats just me


+1
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77395 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:19 pm to
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with 6 spots you'd have to just let BCS conference winners in, and that will be fricked up

or you could just use the bcs formulas to determine the best 6 teams, frick letting conference winners in
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9263 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:25 pm to
Honestly, I have no idea why people want to make themselves miserable with a playoff system in college football.

First of all, there will always be teams that think they "should" have made the playoffs, but didn't, even if you had a 64-team playoff.

Secondly, it cheapens the importance of the regular season. Don't even try to argue it. It DOES.

Thirdly, even though there MAY be too bowl games... if there's 36 of them, that means 18 teams end the season happy. In a playoff system, only one team ends the season happy. That's just what we need... greater emphasis placed on winning at all costs in college football.

And how often will YOUR team finish as the one happy team? I'll tell you: a hell of a lot less than you think.

You can count me out of supporting ANYTHING that makes college football more like professional football.

I promise you 100% that a playoff system will RUIN the fun of college football.

Oh, but it works so well in 1-AA, you say? Division 1 is a whole other animal.
Posted by mlttiger
Member since Feb 2009
3974 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:29 pm to
6 team playoff with the top 2 seeds getting a bye so that there regular season doesn't go unnoticed and unrewarded

how bout that...


EDITED AFTER READING THREAD: sorry Josh... great minds think alike
This post was edited on 7/8/09 at 7:40 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:40 pm to
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or you could just use the bcs formulas to determine the best 6 teams, frick letting conference winners in

no way, say, the ACC will allow the SEC to double dip in the money while it gets $0
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77395 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

Thirdly, even though there MAY be too bowl games... if there's 36 of them, that means 18 teams end the season happy. In a playoff system, only one team ends the season happy. That's just what we need... greater emphasis placed on winning at all costs in college football.

Ummm.....you do realize that you can have a 4,6, or 8 team playoff and still have the bowl games underneath them, and the playoffs are just the bcs bowls with winners moving on right?
Posted by SeattleTiger19
Member since Oct 2007
4537 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 8:00 pm to
I have a formula where all BCS conferences have a shot, one non-BCS and one team who got the shaft. (Texas this year.)

PAC 10, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC, Big East and SEC all play a conference title game. The winner of that game gets a spot in the playoff. That would leave two openings.

You take the two highest ranked non-BCS schools and have them play a title game for a spot or a play in game.

The last spot goes to the highest ranked team not to get one of the 7 spots. So a team like Texas who deserved to play for the Big 12 title, would still get a shot.

You seed the teams based on final ranking. First two rounds highest ranked team gets home field advantage. Losing teams get assigned a BCS bowl. After two weeks of playoffs all the BCS bowls will have games assigned. I looked through the schedule and you could do all this with a break between the second round and BCS games. Every conference has a shot to qualify and one team gets a wild card spot.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11806 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 8:03 pm to
Use a basketballs year round tourny format....
Posted by Kolintiger
Pineville, LA
Member since Sep 2008
27 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 8:33 pm to
I do believe there has been this same sentiment earlier in the post, but whether you're choosing the two teams worthy of a title or the top eight teams, there will never be a clear cut number. There will always be controversy because more than 8 teams will feel they deserve a legitimate shot at the title, and those who don't recieve one of the coveted 8 spots will always lean back on unfair politics, favoritism, bigger money for bigger schools, yada yada yada
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16312 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 8:52 pm to
A +1 format sucks bull balls. We wait a month for the big games, then turn around and have an even bigger game only 1 or 2 weeks later. Does not compute. I am in favor of the 8 conferences and 1 winner from each conference going to the playoff. You could also reduce the schedule to 11 games and play each team from your conference and take the top two and have a conference championship game. Done. In the event of a three way tie such as the Texas Tech, TX and OK fiasco, just have some tie breaker and deal with it.
Posted by EasyE
Metairie
Member since Mar 2006
350 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 9:27 pm to
8 team playoff will just move the bitching from who is #1, or #2, to who is #8. it will not solve the whining. then everyone has to play a conf champ game. which wont happen for a long time. and by letting all of the "bcs" conf champs + 2 more, better teams will be left out. regardless of conf affiliation. there will be fewer mid majors involved, which is why this shite started. and in recent years, the big east, and acc have sucked. the sec and big 12 had multiple teams better than their champ.
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