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1st game player evals after DVR review (long)

Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:12 am
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:12 am
Ok so here are my impressions of our personel after watching the replay a couple times.

Offense:

Hawkins and Pocic are next level ready right now! Pocic is the first LSU center since Ben Wilkerson I have seen pulling this much on running plays. Takes some pretty good athletic ability to do that. Hawkins also played with quickness, power and great feet. Didn't know what to expect from Clapp but he looked great. More athletic than I expected, played mean with good technique and good power. All 3 of the above also got to the second level well which is very important in Grimes scheme. Alexander still has his great power but is not quite the athlete the other 3 are. Doesn't get the second level quite as well. He does play with very good technique and is very experienced and I think we will be fine with him at RT. From what I saw Saturday, Boutte is going to struggle getting playing time from here on out, barring injury. He looked VERY slow and out of shape. The holding penalty he incurred on the first Dural TD was due to him having very slow feet and reaching and grabbing. He was getting beat a lot and never got the second level successfully. On a few occasions he got his hands on his man and excelled at drive blocking him, but there wasn't much other good that he did. Tuehema is a much better athlete and will likely be the starter going forward. Still a bit raw, needs more experience and improved technique, but he looks like he will be a good one. The combination of Boutte and Alexander on the right side to start the game was problematic since they are both a bit slow of foot. They slid Clapp next to Alexander when Tuehema came in and that made for a much more balanced line.

Gordon and Jeter did ok, missed the intended LB targets a few times on the wider runs, but all in all they will be good blocking TE's for us. Smith's blocking seems to have improved some, although he didnt get as many chances. His main talents lie elsewhere. JD Moore looked really good at FB, seems quicker than last year, and almost always hit his intended target.

All 3 WR's that played looked just fine. Lots of playmakers in that group, and as the offense evolves they are going to make tons of plays.

I think we were all more than happy with what we saw from Harris, Fournett and Williams. Feel great about them going forward.

Defense:

Godchaux and Lacatour are who we thought they would be. Strong at the point of attack, great motors and making lots of plays. Gilmore and Herron look as though the light has gone on. Considering how little live action they have gotten in SEC games to this point in their careers, they did very well Saturday night. Pretty happy with our DT group going forward. Neal had a good game, reminds me of a shorter Rasco. I don't think we will see much dropoff in play from SDE this year. Bower is probably a little step down from Hunter at WDE, but the gap isn't huge and he sometimes spells Neal at SDE when Key is on. Key of course is going to be a stud. He has all the tools he needs and is only being held back by experience now...can't wait! Very small sample size from Tuehema, reserving judgement on him.

Debo and Beckwith both were excellent against the run and serviceable against the pass. Dak presented a package we won't see much this year...an accurate passer who is also a huge run threat. That skillset really puts the LB's in a bind so we will see going forward if their pass coverage improves against less mobile QB's. Louis looks like he has gained weight which I assume is so that he can spell Beckwith if necessary at Mike. Riley looks like a Debo clone with his speed to the ball and I think because we will likely play only two LB's at a time on most snaps, we should be more than fine at LB.

Tolliver, dominated his man all night and was great in run support as well. This kid is a no doubt star. While White struggled a bit with Wilson, he battled all night and made his fair share of plays. He's a known commodity as an SEC CB and will be fine. He was also strong in run support. Thomas seemed to be a bit of a weak link to me. Seemed slower than last year and didn't cover as well as Mills does in the slot. I think when Mills returns, if he is 100%, Thomas will be the first one back to the bench. Adams and Jefferson both looked great back there. I was a bit surprised that Jefferson actually seemed to make more plays than Adams, but Steele had Adams playing very deep most of the night ensuring there were no big plays over his head. I have no arguments with that approach. I think we are in for a great year at safety.

All in all, few surprises came out of the MSU game. Boutte counts as my personal biggest disappointment as I had high expectations for him. After all the hype about Key and Tolliver, I really can't count them as suprises, they are as advertised. I feel comfortable saying that Harris will equal or surpass Mett's performance in 2013. His extra mobility is a weapon and the kid just seems to have what it takes at QB. His composure and pocket presence were great Saturday night and will only improve. We had almost no presnap problems, I can remember only one time where a time out was needed because we were confused. He managed the play clock well, and I also remember only one play where Harris and Fournett got a little mixed up on which way the play was going. Cameron seems to have done a really good job coaching Harris up and Harris also seems to have put in the work to improve.

I think we are in for a good ride this year boys, the coaches will start meshing their play calling with the talent on hand, and the offense will be one of the best in the SEC. I really love what Steele and Orgeron are doing with the defense. This is easily the most active I have ever seen our defensive line. They ran more stunts and displayed more pass rush moves than any group Chavis ever put on the field here. Instead of relying on simply talent to beat the OL, they put constant pressure on them with twists, stunts and alignments and forced them into mistakes. It was good stuff and I am excited to see where it leads. Geaux Tigers!!
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:14 am to
quote:

I feel comfortable saying that Harris will equal or surpass Mett's performance in 2013.


Posted by 7Tiger7
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:21 am to
I APPROVE. Good summary of things that went well/ need to be fixed. Keep up the work
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:27 am to
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quote:
I feel comfortable saying that Harris will equal or surpass Mett's performance in 2013.



To be clear, while Harris may not put the numbers up that Mett did in 2013, as far as just playing the QB position...taking everything into consideration with what he brings to the table with his mobility and pocket presence....I have no qualms making my prediction even though the sample size is small. Game experience will be his biggest hurdle, but I trust what I see and I see a good one.
Posted by Lsuchs
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:35 am to
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quote: I feel comfortable saying that Harris will equal or surpass Mett's performance in 2013.


I agree with most of what you said. But mett had ice in his veins in 2013. He made throws Harris would check to runs much less attempt yet. Harris will probably play fine and show some flasher for sure. But he is no where near border line NFL starter material, and mett was as close to that as it gets in college in 2013.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 12:37 am
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:43 am to
quote:

I agree with most of what you said. But mett had ice in his veins in 2013. He made throws Harris would check to runs much less attempt yet. Harris will probably play fine and show some flasher for sure. But he is no where near border line NFL starter material, and mett was as close to that as it gets in college in 2013.


Maybe, we will see Lsuchs. Harris will have to prove himself over the course of the entire season. As Yogi said, "making predictions is hard, especially about the future"!
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:44 am to
We need to see that 15 yard In route that Mett killed defenses with in 2013. Other than the Post that was called back, LSU didn't attack the middle of the field at all.
Posted by NotRight37
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:46 am to
Harris might surpass or equal Mett, but way to early to feel confident in that statement so I have to agree with HCB here. Harris did look good and maybe more importantly, composed. I also liked when Pocic missed one play he ran over and took some practice snaps with Dodd, under center and shotgun.

Other than that hyperbole about Mett, it was a good read and keep it up. I will say this about D. Thomas. He looked like arguably LSU's best D player last year in the first four games before the injury. I agree he didn't do much against State. He is coming off injury and missed the summer as well. I think he will be fine and is better suited for the freelance extra DB anyway. I'm a bit surprised that Paris was not in the game on D.
Posted by Lsuchs
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:57 am to
If you meant career I could definitely see him equaling or surpassing mett because his ceiling is very high, but this year we will not get anywhere near the QB play we had in 2013. And there is nothing wrong with that or even a need for it. Mett was very good that year as had forgotten more of Cameron's playbook than Harris even knows yet.
Posted by beauchristopher
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:04 am to
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I agree with most of what you said. But mett had ice in his veins in 2013. He made throws Harris would check to runs much less attempt yet. Harris will probably play fine and show some flasher for sure. But he is no where near border line NFL starter material, and mett was as close to that as it gets in college in 2013.
This post was edited on 9/15 at 12:37 am


like the ole miss game?

any ways i absolutely agree with everything the op said. that was one of the best write ups/reviews i have read around here.

there is no reason harris and this offense won't have similar offensive success as 2013 and then some.
Posted by justustm2
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:08 am to
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there is no reason harris and this offense won't have similar offensive success as 2013 and then some.


Les "Puckered Tootie" Miles just might be the reason. The kid was playing good and throwing the ball with accuracy. What he needs more than anything is reps throwing the ball with the bullets flying. What does Les do? Shut him down and placed him in a bunker. Conservative play-not-to-lose Les fricking Miles.

Did you see the look on Harris face late in the game? He knew his Coach had handcuffed him and placed the outcome of the game on the foot of MSU's kicker. Really pathetic. Then he gives the kicker a second chance to win the game after he missed his first kick. Absolutely mind blowing amazing. Didn't he do that in another game?. Our $4 million dollar coach.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:13 am to
Posted by tigercreole
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:15 am to
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If you meant career I could definitely see him equaling or surpassing mett because his ceiling is very high, but this year we will not get anywhere near the QB play we had in 2013. And there is nothing wrong with that or even a need for it.

I agree with this as well as the OP's optimism. Harris seemed much more composed and in-control. However, 2013 Mett comparison some are making = a 5th year senior vs a true sophomore with two starts. Clearly apples and oranges. I do think that the pieces are around BH. I can see Dural, Dupre, and Fournette producing like Beckham, Landry, and Hill. Maybe more from game impact than actual numbers this year, though.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 5:25 am
Posted by Tiger Nation 84
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:16 am to
I will agree with the OP. One thing is that I think Harris is clearly a bit gun shy right now, and didnt want to make any mistakes. Now, he has the arm Mett has, more mobility and has the ability to feel pressure. Mett never had that, We all saw mett get hammered more than a few times, dude just couldnt feel a backside blitz and poor Mett was a statue. Harris big arm, ability to alude rushing defenders and run to a first down definitely gives him the tools to be better than Mett. But he has to do it on the field. We can talk about it, lets see it happen.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 5:18 am
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:21 am to
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While White struggled a bit with Wilson,

No he didn't. He did a damn good job on Wilson, who is a big time WR and possesses the rare combo of size + athleticism. Not too many guys like him in that country. Kids big time.

Dak threw it 52 times for 335yards. Wilson had 13 targets, catching 8 of them for 86yards and a TD. When a team throws the ball that much and their WR1 gets that many targets, it's damn near impossible to shut that player down the entire game. Especially when you are going against a damn good QB in Prescott and a WR with the talent and size of Wilson.

White shut him down for almost the entire game. But like I said, when you throw it 52times with a QB like Dak, and 13 of those go to a WR with the size and talent like Wilson, they will eventually connect on a few of those passes. Up until then last 2 drives though, White took Wilson away from Dak and Miss St. And even when Wilson got his catches late in the game, White still took away the deep ball from him. 10yards per catch for a player of Wilsons caliber and size is not good. Plus, White made the biggest play of the game for us on D when he broke up the pass play to Wilson late in the game. And we absolutely needed it as well.

It's extremely hard to shadow WR1 for an entire game, especially when you're going against a 6'5 230lbs freak in Wilson with a damn good QB throwing 50+ times and 13 of them to freak you are covering. And White did an excellent job and neutralized Wilson, who might be the toughest WR for a CB to shadow all game long and not just in the SEC, but the entire country as well.

There are a lot of good CBs out there, but I'll take Tre White over all of them. And that includes Vernon Hargreaves. White is an absolute stud CB and is a true "eraser" out there.

Edit: agree with the rest of the post though
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 5:22 am
Posted by Commando
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:31 am to
Not to mention that according to what I saw, our pass rush nearly disappeared, a combination of being tired (50+ pass attempts) and egregious holding by their LT. Harder to cover when the QB has that much time.
Posted by CharlesLSU
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:00 am to
Great eval brother

Boutte was indeed sluggish. I noticed that immediately and hoped it would shake out....nope. I like having Dodd available for Ethan to move around if needed.

I can't really differ with you on anything. Great job.
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:11 am to
quote:

But mett had ice in his veins in 2013.


Ole Miss must have had the heaters on when we played them.

quote:

He made throws Harris would check to runs much less attempt yet


like clock work one man's gossip in one thread becomes the gospel truth in the next.

quote:

But he is no where near border line NFL starter material, and mett was as close to that as it gets in college in 2013.



Marriota says hi
Posted by LSUSilverfox
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:57 am to
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I feel comfortable saying that Harris will equal or surpass Mett's performance in 2013.


While I agree Harris may rival Mett in terms of big play potential, until Harris converts half the 3rd downs Mett did, I'll pump the brakes.

ETA... Other than that, solid post. Good insight. Thanks.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 7:58 am
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:59 am to
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like the ole miss game









What about the ole miss game?
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