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re: 1/9 - Does LSU win that game in any scenario?
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:02 pm to Purplehaze44
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:02 pm to Purplehaze44
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There are about three or four plays that could have changed that game in a big way.
Well, you can say that about just about any football game.
And sorry, but we got freaking dominated on 1/9/12.
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:06 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Nah.
As tired as I am of Miles, you can't say that.
Miles had already beaten Saban once that year, on Saban's turf. Not many coaches in America could beat Saban twice in a season, with the requirement that once is at Bama and the second is on a neutral field. That's a tall task.
Now HOW Les coached game two can be criticized, but LSU lost the moment the rematch was announced.
You're missing my point. The win in November is precisely what doomed LSU to damnation in January. Miles is the very embodiment of repetitive recalcitrance. He appears incapable of adaptation or creative adjustment. By contrast, Saban is the personification of self-critical analysis and ongoing refinement. The coaches' relative dispositions almost preordained that Miles would stubbornly repeat the tactics of November, while Saban would successfully change to avoid another loss. That's precisely what happened. To win that rematch, we needed a coach who could accurately anticipate Saban's adjustments and craft effective counter-adjustments. Miles is in no way capable of such higher order thinking. Just not smart enough or imaginative enough.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:09 pm to atltiger6487
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Well, you can say that about just about any football game.
Yes you can. But the question was asked if we could have one If those go differently, then its a real possibility.
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And sorry, but we got freaking dominated on 1/9/12.
Nothing I said disagreed with that. They were the better team on the field, and the ball bounced their way. It ended in us being dominated.
However, the better team on the field doesn't always win. Saban himself even said we were the better team in 2012, but they had several plays keep them in it, especially at the end of the game. Any of those go different we could have beaten them.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:09 pm to Bad Medicine
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Man Bama would have destroyed Lee
LOL, this is what infuriates me....Forget the fact Lee got you to 8-0. And that JJ was forced back in to the starting role unnecessarily, or that in the SEC CCG that JJ couldn't get past the 50 yard line in the first half or muster more than 30 yards of offense and need the honey badger to save him and was only allowed to come in and kneel at the end....
Start JJ in the 1-9 game because he barely fared better in past matches with bama...but when the ship is sinking and it's the second half of the NCG for all the marbles, do you really not try another QB at all???? JJ was worthless, probably because Les thought he could trot out against Saban in a title game with absolutely nothing new on the game plan. So, with the ship sinking do you really just say "f" it, it's over, don't care, not trying anything else? It is the final game for the trophy, do you give up? You deflate the ego of your team when you trot the same QB that sucked the first half? At least rotate them in and out for different looks and game plans. This is more of the same....pound the same game plan at the other team in hopes of wearing them out. ONly now, there are other teams with the athletes LSU has. Have to adapt or become obsolete.
But no, I don't think Les had anything in the cupboard to throw out there that would have changed things.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:10 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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You're missing my point. The win in November is precisely what doomed LSU to damnation in January. Miles is the very embodiment of repetitive recalcitrance. He appears incapable of adaptation or creative adjustment. By contrast, Saban is the personification of self-critical analysis and ongoing refinement. The coaches' relative dispositions almost preordained that Miles would stubbornly repeat the tactics of November, while Saban would successfully change to avoid another loss. That's precisely what happened. To win that rematch, we needed a coach who could successfully anticipate Saban's adjustments and craft effective counter-adjustments. Miles is in no way capable of such higher order thinking. Just not smart enough or imaginative enough.
I agree with what you are saying, but in order for us to have done that the second time, we would have needed a better option at QB than what we had.
Not many coaches in America have that luxury as well. There are maybe only one or two coaches today that could beat Saban in a rematch. One is Urban Mayer. Jimbo Fisher is maybe the other. Outside of that, I can't think of one. Not to mention having to do it after winning the first time. Post season rematches in CFB history favor the team that lost the first time.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:17 pm to Street Hawk
Outside of massive Bama food poisoning or the Flu..... NO
Bama had the edge when we beat them 11/5. They were stronger in the trenches. Great plays by us and bad by them allowed us to win.
Fat forward to BCSNCG... We have to beat a stronger team twice and the motivation was all on their side. Looking back, it was tough climb.
BTW- I liked JL better but he would have been killed in that game. JJ was running for his life all night.
Bama had the edge when we beat them 11/5. They were stronger in the trenches. Great plays by us and bad by them allowed us to win.
Fat forward to BCSNCG... We have to beat a stronger team twice and the motivation was all on their side. Looking back, it was tough climb.
BTW- I liked JL better but he would have been killed in that game. JJ was running for his life all night.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:22 pm to Street Hawk
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But was there any scenario in which LSU would have won that game?
Posted on 9/12/16 at 4:46 pm to TigerB8
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Forget the fact Lee got you to 8-0. And that JJ was forced back in to the starting role unnecessarily
Jefferson won the Bama game in T-Town. J.Lee was a sitting duck and rattled to the point of hurling up INTs under pressure. Lee definitely could have been successful against Arkansas or Georgia, but LSU still would have met Bama again in the championship.
Imagine the outrage if Miles went back to J.Lee for the remainder of the schedule after the 9-6 Bama win including the SECCG. Imagine the hypothetical crap the fans would say, "What if J.Jefferson had been giving the reigns as starting QB post Alabama game to get a few games under his belt so he could be ready for the rematch."
"Miles should have known J.Lee never had a prayer if they got to a rematch. He should have prepped Jefferson by giving him the starting job after the 9-6 game so the offense could get synced with him under center....."
I think the hypothetical scenario would have been worse if J.Lee had been given back the starting role. Fans already think that game was mismanaged by Lee never getting into the game, but if Miles had wasted the bowl prep with a gameplan centering around J.Lee after how inept he was against them his entire career, that would actually have been worse.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 5:07 pm to biglego
alternative B
Lee starts, plays same as all season.
refs call late hits on Bama (unlike in the regular season game).
LSU wins
Lee starts, plays same as all season.
refs call late hits on Bama (unlike in the regular season game).
LSU wins
Posted on 9/12/16 at 5:21 pm to Street Hawk
Honestly, no. Those teams were the cream of the crop that season, and both were too talented for either one to go 2-0 versus the other.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 5:34 pm to Street Hawk
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Lee was always awful against Bama. JJ was hapless on 1/9.
Lee throw long pass vs bama to win game.
JJ was hapless every game.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 5:36 pm to Street Hawk
If Lee would have started we would have won, apparently.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 5:40 pm to Street Hawk
I was there and was humiliated.
Let it go!! Please, just let go!!!
Let it go!! Please, just let go!!!
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