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re: Let's talk QB, Justin McMillan, Cedar Hill, TX
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:02 pm to roygu
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:02 pm to roygu
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Careful man! Beckham and Landry were the WRs in both the Arkansas and Iowa games in 2013. There wasn't much difference in those two games than the 2014 season.
I'm talking about the 2014 season, not 2013. The WRers were different as was the QB. But yeah, I can mention like the announcers did so no big secret that the LSU WRers sometimes have a blitzer run right by them which makes them the hot receiver. They don't even look immediately for the ball as Receiving 101 tells you to do. And I have seen LSU WRers BLOCKING on a play that clearly was a play where they were the primary receiver. I'm pretty darn sure of that because when they came back to the huddle, Jennings was chewing them out...as he should have. And of course, I don't think I have to remind you of 2 well thrown balls on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter of the Alabama game...same receiver both times...dropped both times...and that receiver didn't start the next game nor hardly played did he?
If you think the passing game is only the QB, that is funny!
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:12 pm to Vito Andolini
Vito-Did you forget that Les recruited and signed Ryan P.? And if Ryan would have had his head on straight we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:25 pm to TeamLSU
Yeah, I have no idea where these people come up with these myths. Perrilloux as you mentioned...wanted by everyone....Jarrett Lee and Zach Lee...big time other offers...Mettenberger had other offers obviously out of JUCO. Wow, I am soooooo disappointed that a run oriented team can't sign the top 2 QBs out of HS every year. Yes, that is hyperbole...just like the revisionist history of LSU QB recruiting has been. Oh, and we didn't even mention the Army AA QB Rettig nor Gunner "No Chest" Kiel who was top 50 nationally and stiffed LSU on EE day.
Geez, I'm depressed that LSU never can recruit highly regarded QBs out of HS.
If the Dodgers owner hadn't paid Z Lee 5 times what that spot in the draft should have been paid...and of course as you know, they changed the rules to basically prevent that now, we wouldn't be exposed to this revisionist history either.
Geez, I'm depressed that LSU never can recruit highly regarded QBs out of HS.
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And if Ryan would have had his head on straight we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?
If the Dodgers owner hadn't paid Z Lee 5 times what that spot in the draft should have been paid...and of course as you know, they changed the rules to basically prevent that now, we wouldn't be exposed to this revisionist history either.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:29 pm to TeamLSU
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Vito-Did you forget that Les recruited and signed Ryan P.? And if Ryan would have had his head on straight we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?
No one can say for sure either way. Ryan P didn't do enough while he was in P&G for me to say he was going to be great. He certainly hasn't set the world on fire post-LSU, so I tend to think he would have been another average to below average QB had he been able to stay out of trouble. His lack of maturity and/or intelligence probably also has a lot to do with his lack of success. In hindsight we would have been better off with Colt McCoy and letting Ryan stick with his original pledge to Texas.
As to the Zach Lee post, who knows, perhaps he would have been great, perhaps he would have been Josh Booty/Jamie Howard (two other baseball players who also wanted to be QB's), i.e. average college QB's. Who knows, I think Zach has one more year under on his rookie contract, perhaps he will be like a several other MLB bonus babies and come back to college a bit older and wealthier.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:36 pm to Vito Andolini
First, Perrilloux was the real deal ON the field. He played plenty for me to see that. Obviously you are correct about Colt McCoy vs Ryan Perrilloux but as you admitted, we don't have crystal balls.
As far as Zach Lee, he already had skills in HS that I personally observed in multiple games that Howard and Booty never had. Everything from mobility to decision making, and Booty's arm wasn't remotely what Z Lee's is which is why Lee was drafted as a pitcher. And I HATE to quote Gary Crowton on anything, but he said that Zach Lee was picking up his playbook better than any QB he had ever had...and that was only in a few days that he did that. Zach Lee was like 2nd in his graduating class (a large HS BTW) I believe so the intelligence was there.
As far as Zach Lee, he already had skills in HS that I personally observed in multiple games that Howard and Booty never had. Everything from mobility to decision making, and Booty's arm wasn't remotely what Z Lee's is which is why Lee was drafted as a pitcher. And I HATE to quote Gary Crowton on anything, but he said that Zach Lee was picking up his playbook better than any QB he had ever had...and that was only in a few days that he did that. Zach Lee was like 2nd in his graduating class (a large HS BTW) I believe so the intelligence was there.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:36 pm to Vito Andolini
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Yeah, I have no idea where these people come up with these myths. Perrilloux as you mentioned...wanted by everyone....Jarrett Lee and Zach Lee...big time other offers...Mettenberger had other offers obviously out of JUCO. Wow, I am soooooo disappointed that a run oriented team can't sign the top 2 QBs out of HS every year. Yes, that is hyperbole...just like the revisionist history of LSU QB recruiting has been. Oh, and we didn't even mention the Army AA QB Rettig nor Gunner "No Chest" Kiel who was top 50 nationally and stiffed LSU on EE day.
Geez, I'm depressed that LSU never can recruit highly regarded QBs out of HS
You need to read this thread again, no one is talking about how highly rated some of the QB recruits have been, rather many are correctly pointing out that Les has never recruited a diamond in the rough QB (i.e. a lower rated QB who actually turned out to be good), and his record at recruiting higher rated QB's who turned out to be as good as advertised is also been pretty bad (i.e. JJ, Rettig).
I would be fine with either one, but to fail at both is why we have struggled at the QB position for so many years.
If we could simply get good play at QB, not great, but just good play at QB, with the rest of the talent on the roster, we would be competing for a championship more than once every 5 years or so.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:42 pm to Vito Andolini
Once again, I will repeat this. Few schools have had periodic success with their QBs either. And this season for example, it was hardly bad QB play that was the only issue. I will mention again some of the poor WRer play...I will also mention the PK game that was pretty hideous the last few games. Also, the OL was good one game...bad the next. So to throw everything on the QB position is not believable. Also, again, when you are a run oriented team, your OL practices run blocking more than pass blocking and you recruit those type guys. If you might remember, Pocic specifically said in Illinois that he liked LSU because he loved to block for runs and LSU is a run-oriented team.
BTW, it is funny for you to talk about recruiting "diamond in the rough" QB. I can promise that if those didn't plan out, you would be saying "but yeah, why can't LSU recruit a highly regarded one.'
BTW, it is funny for you to talk about recruiting "diamond in the rough" QB. I can promise that if those didn't plan out, you would be saying "but yeah, why can't LSU recruit a highly regarded one.'
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:32 pm to Purple with Gold
Being a run first team with a stable of backs is more suited for a pro style QB who can manage the game.The recent QB's that have had success at LSU have been pro style game managers.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:41 pm to Purple with Gold
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IMO, the best LSU QB since Tommy Hodson would have been Zach Lee.
you mean the best QB since jamarcus?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you mean the best QB since jamarcus?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:44 pm to FightinTiga
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The recent QB's that have had success at LSU have been pro style game managers.
you mean mobile QBs without big arms like matt flynn?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:45 pm to Purple with Gold
JR was the best QB in CFB in 2006. did Tommy Hodson ever get into that discussion in any year of his time at LSU?
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Flynn was a game manager
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:48 pm to FightinTiga
he was certainly not
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:49 pm to FightinTiga
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Being a run first team with a stable of backs is more suited for a pro style QB who can manage the game.The recent QB's that have had success at LSU have been pro style game managers.
Have you been talking to Bart Starr again?
If you don't move, you don't last these days. Ask Mettenberger from last season at LSU or this season with the Titans. Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:50 pm to FightinTiga
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The recent QB's that have had success at LSU have been pro style game managers.
Like who?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:51 pm to tigers32
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Like who?
you're going to hear the mythology that flynn and mauck were "game managers" when that was not true at all
it's revisionist history
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Uh, no he wasn't. Just because the Raiders made one of the worst draft choices in NFL history...and yes, that is in everyone's top 5 or so, that does not make him the best QB in college football for ANY year he was at LSU. Once again....
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:52 pm to FightinTiga
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Flynn was a game manager
Why do people think this?
Flynn threw 11 INT his senior year in 2007 and he was asked to throw the football 34 times or more in 4 games, including 44 attempts and 47 attempts in 2 different games.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:55 pm to Purple with Gold
He is starting for the Titans of the NFL,correct? While I agree good mobility is needed it is also important to be able to read defenses and recognize coverage.Running QB's haven't been fairing well as of late in the NFL,in case you haven't noticed.
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