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Has anyone done Starting Strength

Posted on 7/2/17 at 7:52 am
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/2/17 at 7:52 am
A little background on me. I've lifted some on and off for years. Mostly free weights, some body weight stuff. In high school I took a weight lifting class and learned most major lifts. But as a typical 17 year old who thinks he knows everything, I chose not to take lower body lifts seriously.

Years later I tried squatting again, and to be truthful I am ashamed of my results.
I read about starting strength and I like the simplicity of it and the basic main lifts, but it calls for power cleans which I never learned. I'm lifting at home and don't have anyone to coach me. Rippetoe has videos on YouTube, but that can only get you so far. Is it worth learning power cleans, or should I just substitute in rows?

Also, I'm 36 and at times my job can get pretty physical. I work in construction and some days work can leave me gassed. Another thing can be working 7 days a week for long periods of time, which makes me question about recovery issues.

In short, I have lifted some in the past and enjoy it, but I want to do it right this time.
This post was edited on 7/2/17 at 7:53 am
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83937 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:17 am to
I think it's worth learning. There are so many videos that show you proper form.

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Also, I'm 36 and at times my job can get pretty physical. I work in construction and some days work can leave me gassed. Another thing can be working 7 days a week for long periods of time, which makes me question about recovery issues. 


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Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
25946 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:48 am to
quote:

it worth learning power cleans


frick yeah. Power clean, squat clean from all positions. It works too many muscles not to give it a try. Start really light and get comfortable with proper technique before you go all ham on it.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18670 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 9:27 am to
You can sub barbell rows for power cleans.

It may feel silly starting with 135 that first week while you are still trying to get comfortable squatting. However just remember that you are going to add five pounds to that every workout. If you squat 3 days a week for six weeks your 3x5 will be at 225.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13052 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 9:42 am to
quote:

It may feel silly starting with 135


Yeah, um I actually started with less than that.
I watched Mark Rippetoes videos on all the big lifts and I feel comfortable that my technique on deadlifts, press, and bench is good. I always knew something needed tweaking on my squat but wasn't sure what. I think the way he explained it may have helped. We'll see when I get back higher in weight. I've done some practice power cleans with an empty bar, going kinda slow. The catch doesn't feel right. I'm going to deadlift every workout for now as is instructed until the weight gets higher and I'll do some practice cleans every workout too.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18670 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 9:47 am to
No shame in that. Especially if you are working out at home. There isn't anyone to impress.

Just keep making slow progress and don't try to ramp up the weight.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68463 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 9:52 am to
It's a good program

Unless it's been revised you typically run 2 cycles of starting strength before cleans are implemented. That's my understanding
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13052 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 10:06 am to
quote:

No shame in that. Especially if you are working out at home. There isn't anyone to impress.


Amen. I'm not trying to win a contest in looks or powerlifting. I just want to be generally strong, look decent, and feel good. Lifting makes me feel tough and manly and more confident overall.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
6461 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:06 am to
As Mark Bell says strength is never a weakness, also check out his YouTube channel Supertraining06, tons of helpful videos.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:20 am to
Great program for beginners. Power cleans are tough if your lats and arms are tight so loosen then up.

Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5320 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 4:12 pm to
Especially if you lift alone a lot, I'd recommend having someone familiar with lifting technique come over to critique your lifts. Last thing you want to do is hurt your back from bad form.
Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5320 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 4:17 pm to
I did starting strength earlier this yr after a hiatus from lifting just to figure out where to start with my next program. It also gives you the opportunity to work on your form up front since you'll start out pretty low to begin. I recommend it for both these reasons. Just don't be afraid to fail when the weights get heavy, because you're going to be progressing fast and you should really only be using it to figure out where you are (the speed of progression is not sustainable long term). So start light, accept that you will be failing in short order anyway, and hold your form above all else.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:46 pm to
I actually might start this program like you did because I haven't worked out that seriously in a few months. Start the weight light since I'm doing an extreme diet at the moment.

I might start a starting strength log thread.
This post was edited on 7/2/17 at 8:47 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31205 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 10:28 pm to
You would be better off using greyskull do to the third set being amrap and your leg strength. Imo

Op could prolly run starting strength but prolly should run StrongLifts then into madcow since he doesn't know how to power clean. Imo
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 7/2/17 at 10:56 pm to
Yeah, I looked back over it and decided something like greyskull or ph3 might be better.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13052 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:32 am to
I guess one of the biggest points of the threads was, would I benefit from power cleans. I'm in no way an athlete. I just like to lift. I know power cleans are great for athletes. I am kind of interested in learning and performing them, but I am intimidated by them also.

On top of that, it feels like there is no work for the upper back in this program. Chin ups are added later on.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31205 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:01 am to
everyone benifits from powercleans especially as we get older due to us losing our explosiveness, but without somebody to teach you, yea I woud not recommend them.

If you like the linear progression style of starting strength I would suggest you do one of two things. Start with the stronglifts program and run it until you can't progress anymore, it is 5x5 instead of 3x5. Or run starting strength instead with pendlay rows subbed for power cleans.

run both programs until you can not progress anymore. From there I would look at moving to one of four programs in order of preference for you

1) Greyskull(if you feel like you can squeeze more out of a linear progression program with slower progressions). I wrote a primer on here and it shows how to run the program and how flexible it is.

2) Madcow 5x5- weekyl progressions, run for 5 cycles minimum. The old thread on elite fitness can be found through google and is an amazing resource in general.

3) 5/3/1- this is the program you move to for life. After a while this should be the main program you run. No problems drifting away, but it should be the one you come back to. Your wife so to speak. I highly highly highly recommend the 531 forever book and its one of the best programming books ever written imo. 531 like greyskull is extremely flexible and can be used for any number of goals.

4) texas method- this is the traditional program mark rippetoe has his lifters move to after SS. I am not that high on it for non athletes or for those concerned in any way with aesthics.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:08 am to
quote:

5/3/1- this is the program you move to for life.


Yep, after I did a bout of DC training, I did instinct training and unintentionally did 5/3/1 without looking at or knowing what the program was through natural inclinations to do that type of training. I did very well for a long time.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31205 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:34 am to
yea you know how I feel about DC training and Fortitude training, but 531 is the one you marry. The principles are amazing and their are tons and tons of templates to choose from that you never get bored.

Now that the forever 531 book came out and he further explains the leaders and anchor templates along with the 7th week protocol, it has become perfect. He even has a new beginners program he has been using with the local HS athletes that train in his garage and I would say its a good or better than starting strength and greyskull, just a tad moe complicated.

I am a member of his private forum and he puts out tons of info on there thats awesome and never released or not realeased for years later.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13052 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 10:18 am to
quote:

) 5/3/1- this is the program you move to for life


I did 5 3 1 before. I did enjoy it and plan to do it again. I just wanted to do a good simple program to get me back into lifting. Practice my form especially on squats and build my way back up.
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