re: Anyone Still Doing a Paleo-esque Diet These Days?

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I am a huge Paleo proponent. Just wanted to put that out there. But sugar in fruit is not a problem. I eat bananas, berries, oranges, etc every day. It is only an issue when you concentrate it, and add it to every food item. I also get a ton of carbs in root vegetables, potatoes, and nuts. It is very easy to maintain when you eat a true paleo diet. It is the Keto I couldn't do very long.

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its not a problem for health but your for weigth loss its calories and your body can not tell the difference between 100g of carbs from fruit vs 100g of carbs from cheesecake when pertaining to weight loss.

That was a bazinga even in 2015..I impress myself

No i meant what I said. If fruit is the only sugar you take in then it's not going to be a problem health wise and health wise fruits provide many more micro nutrients then say a big arse piece of cheesecake.

But for weight loss, there is zero difference and me personally....well I'm choosing the cheesecake.

Now with all that being said I mentioned earlier that the whole30 diet was the best diet for health and that is true especially when combined with intermittent fasting but is no different than any other diet as far as fat loss.

Now real Keto can provide some metabolic advantages but they are small, but it does do a good job of curbing appetite. Intermittent fasting offers some metabolic and hormone advantages but again it's very slim. Carb backloading and carb cycling provide some small metabolic and mtor advantages but again they are very small.

Now if we are talking extreme diets there are two that stand out big time for allowing one to go extremely low in calories but retain muscle, the fat fast and rapid fatloss handbook psmf. But again the huge advantages to those is less metabolic but more their ability to hold onto muscle at super low cals.

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If fruit is the only sugar you take in then it's not going to be a problem health wise

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Well, depending on amount, yes.

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But for weight loss, there is zero difference and me personally....well I'm choosing the cheesecake.

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That's a lot of fruit equivalent.

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Now with all that being said I mentioned earlier that the whole30 diet was the best diet for health and that is true especially when combined with intermittent fasting but is no different than any other diet as far as fat loss.

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Don't agree on either count, due to the aforementioned ban on dairy.

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Now real Keto can provide some metabolic advantages but they are small,

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Small when compared to Whole 30 or small when compared to pure calorie restriction irrespective of macro allocation?

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Not sure what's fad about a diet that seeks to mimic eating based on the evolution of our species

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Yet it cuts out wheat, one of the most important foods for the proliferation of the human race.

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I disagree that the effect is "small" then. And certainly from a pure health standpoint it isn't small.

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not talking health wise, strictly weight loss and its 100% fact proven by hundreds of studies that the net increase on TDEE from a keto diet is miniscule if at all.

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There's no question that one must watch for quality. However, I don't have any problem sourcing grass fed butter, cream or cheese.

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Cheese and butter is easy, cream is not the easiest for most people. TX in general seems much easier to get those kinds of things based on eatwild.

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100g of carbs delivered via fruit (depending somewhat on the fruit selected) would be a staggering physical portion compared to 100g of carb delivered via cheesecake. I would gues that a 100g serving of cheesecake has 2.5-3.5 the carbs of 100g of berries - even more if you net out the fiber. To get up to an actual 100g of berry carbs, you'd have to eat a freaking basket full.

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Im not talking portion size. Im just saying if you eat 2 oranges, a serving of grapes and an apple during the day that would be about 100g of carbs. 100g of carbs from cheesecake will do the same thing from a weight loss perspective.

The above is a fact and is proven by science and real world results. There is not anything to argue about. 100g of carbs is 100g of carbs. We are talking about health or feeling full, strictly from a fat loss/Fat gain perspective.

thats all fine for health but when talking fat loss, unless you have a insulin problem, then its essentially meaningless until you get dow to about 10-12%BF and even then for the majority of people it will not matter one bit.

a calorie from any carb is still a calorie. 1g of carbs no matter the source is still 4 cals.


I mean dont get me wrong, it can make a difference but its so small that for 99% of the people out there its stupid to follow. Sure it might speed up results but very very little. Similar to keto and IF.

Keto and IF shine though because they tend to help tremendously with hunger and willpower.

no doubt but for many its exgagerated. Now don't get me wrong even on something like IIFYM you should still meet your fiber goals and tend to eat lower starchy GI carbs 80-90% of the time. But if you are under your calories limit and carb limit on a saturday and you decide to have a piece of a cake...well then you will be fine so long as the rest of the week was good.


I dont want it to come across as LSU777 said I could eat whatever thats not the case at all. Macros matter and one should eat the way that is going to allow them to stick to a diet and for many that is lower carb, especially amongst males.