re: MMORPG input please!

Wait for EQ Next.

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Planetside is good if you have a group, so far none of my friends have really picked it up

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Definitely a group game. Best in a large outfit.

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A. EQNext will really happen and
B. That it will be what I keep hoping for out of an MMO

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I played EQ on a pvp server for years and whatever you think EQNext will offer pvp wise may be a let down. PVP in eq was great!

You could kill people and loot one of their items of gear that they wear and sell it or gear up your toon even more. My friends from school and I would group up and go gank people and it was epic fun. So PVP in the old days was extremely terrifying and made it fun to go kill people because you were rewarded with money and items.

Then they got rid of all that and the programmers stopped caring about balancing classes and it was crazy how overpowered classes were. Basically PVP became just a way to annoy people exping or farming and became more of an annoyance. Class balance just became laughable ... I had a Berserker who was the best pvper in the game and I could take out an entire group in a minute and still be alive! It was so overpowered that people see my toons name in a zone they would just log out of game...

EQ was possibly one of the greatest content, raiding, questing, etc. games that I have ever played. However, they completely gave up on all the pvp servers when they merged all of them onto one server and concentrated more upon the PVE of the game.

DAOC was a great game, however the rvr aspect got kind of old and boring. Warhammer Online was superb IMHO for RVR. However, class balance issues and the selling of the rights to another company led to the demise of that great concept.

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daoc was one of my favorite games ever

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I agree with this.

I had a pretty mean minstrel on Iseult back in the day.

So the most obvious answer hasn't been given. Get a time machine back to 1999 and play Ultima Online.

I tried getting back into LOTRO since it was FTP, but I couldn't after having playing the game as a subscriber from beta + 9 months. LOTRO is awesome if you are into LOTR, especially the books.

I'm afraid those are the only two MMOs I've played for the last decade.

It's very simple -- someone needs to create an MMO that will take modern graphics and attach it to UO pre-trammel gameplay.

:in before rmc always knights for UO;

MMOs really were awesome until WoW came out.

UO, Runescape, DAOC, EQ, Planetside, Lineage, Guild Wars

Everything pre-2006 is viewed with great nostalgia... everything after 2006 is viewed as complete shite. Pretty funny. just something ive noticed and this doesnt apply to everyone obviously.

And i played the frick out of WOW and loved it, dont get me wrong.

I didnt play UO but i know it was fricking cutthroat.

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"It's the devs fault"

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I have to disagree with that statement. It's the fault of corporations like SOE and Microsoft amongst others. Blizzard showed a model and has since catered to the lowest common denominator (easier gearing up and end game) and made a ton of cash doing it.

Now corporations aren't interested in making good games. They are interested in making games that appeal to the biggest demographic they can. Promise balanced PvP and thrilling and challenging PvE and also fun solo content. No one has delivered on this. How can you?

To focus on one demographic cuts you out of the other two and thereby lessens potential profit margins.
There are still devs and companies out there that could make a great game. Once it seems like someone has a good idea (like Vanguard was supposed to be the real EQ2) a major player buys the rights and turns the vision into the WoW model to maximize profit.

To answer the OP, good MMO's died years ago. No more forced socialization leads to shoddy players being able to not learn the game or their class and still be able to solo to max level and decent gear. People stop caring about being nice to fellow gamers or even learning how to play the game once that happens.

First mmo for me was wow, and I played that for years. Next was guild wars which was ok. Loved LOTR and played it well over a year. Warhammer was pretty cool, but since then, no mmo can hold my attention for over a week or so. Latest purchase was guild wars 2 and again, lost me after a week or so.

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MMOs really were awesome until WoW came out.

UO, Runescape, DAOC, EQ, Planetside, Lineage, Guild Wars

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Don't forget City Heroes. It came late in the cycle, 2004, but should sit right along with the rest. That's an experience they haven't duplicated either.

Yea, trials of Atlantis was gay but shrouded isles was legit.

Another fellow cab... Aoe dots in rvr