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TX Alcohol Regulation goons at work
Posted on 9/29/15 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 9/29/15 at 3:47 pm
They're proud enough of their accomplishment to post a press release on their website, paid for by tax dollars.
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The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission has seized illegal canning equipment and issued a notice of administrative violation to an Austin business following an investigation into repeated violations of the Alcoholic Beverage Code.
Cuvee Coffee has been charged with possession of equipment or material for manufacture of unauthorized beverages after TABC auditors witnessed employees illegally canning beer without the proper permit on multiple occasions. The action comes after the retailer was issued a written warning for the same violation June 25, at which time TABC gave them 30 days to cease canning operations.
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"We know this issue is important to craft beer retailers and their customers, and we support all citizens' right to petition the Commission, the Legislature or the courts if they feel a provision in the Alcoholic Beverage Code is unfair," said Dexter K. Jones, TABC Assistant Chief for Audit and Investigations. "However, we do not support the continued violation of the law just because a retailer disagrees with it. Cuvee Coffee ignored our repeated warnings and discussions, and that conduct resulted in TABC seizing the illegal equipment and subjecting its permit to a civil penalty. Other retailers who engage in illegal canning risk similar consequences."
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Possession of a crowler machine is not illegal, though using the machine to can alcoholic beverages without the proper permit is a violation of the Alcoholic Beverage Code. Texas residents who wish to report illegal canning may do so by calling 1-888-THE-TABC.
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 3:53 pm to ragincajun03
I thought that this had already happened? I see the article was posted today but I could have sworn we talked about this a couple of weeks ago?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 3:57 pm to ragincajun03
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TX Alcohol Regulation goons at work
Why are they goons?
I would imagine the legit places would be glad of this. Especially the little guys. The big players don't give a rat's arse about this stuff.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:13 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Because the law is ridiculous. Why are crowlers illegal but growlers are legal?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:25 pm to RonFNSwanson
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Because the law is ridiculous. Why are crowlers illegal but growlers are legal
Why are cigaweeds illegal and cigarettes legal ?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:41 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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I would imagine the legit places would be glad of this. Especially the little guys.
What places are you referring to? I don't think I'm understanding your logic. Or how this harms anyone, for that matter.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:44 pm to TigerWise
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Why are cigaweeds illegal and cigarettes legal ?
Because one has marijuana. Terrible analogy.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:48 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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I would imagine the legit places would be glad of this. Especially the little guys. The big players don't give a rat's arse about this stuff.
Nah. Most of the places I know of in Houston that got their Crowler Machines banned, would be considered little guys (small businesses that probably did pretty well off of to-go craft beer). Also, the "little guy" breweries wouldn't have a problem with crowler sales (I would assume) because it gets their beer to people that may not have been able to drink it otherwise.
I'm with Yeezy. Not sure who this really hurts. I think it's dumb to ban them.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:50 pm to Matisyeezy
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What places are you referring to?
I'm not saying the laws are good. By "glad" I'm not saying anyone is glad about the law, but rather that if there is a law and you are trying to comply, you want it to be enforced.
The "goons" are merely enforcing the law as written. The law may be stupid, but to call out the ones enforcing it is stupid as well.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:58 pm to ragincajun03
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Texas residents who wish to report illegal canning may do so by calling 1-888-THE-TABC.
no reward no care
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:01 pm to List Eater
Yeah it is a stupid law. Petrol station served their last one last night, but thankfully Brash Brewing is now the new owner of the Crowler machine and will be serving them soon.
I've also heard that the HEB at bunker hill in Houston is now serving 16 oz growlers.
I've also heard that the HEB at bunker hill in Houston is now serving 16 oz growlers.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:11 pm to Kingwood Tiger
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By "glad" I'm not saying anyone is glad about the law, but rather that if there is a law and you are trying to comply, you want it to be enforced.
So, um, don't say glad?
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I've also heard that the HEB at bunker hill in Houston is now serving 16 oz growlers.
Now THIS is fricking stupid. It's a wasteful move, and it's even more stupid that they have had to go to that measure to circumvent the law. I just don't see how canning constitutes manufacturing.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:44 pm to ragincajun03
Sounds like someone in competition with them made an "anonymous tip" or they were pretty blatantly violating the ordinance.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:50 pm to chesty
St Arnold's
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:58 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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The law may be stupid, but to call out the ones enforcing it is stupid as well.
I'm going to disagree with you on this one, but I think state and federal alcohol enforcement agencies are full of shite, so my opinion is biased. Agencies like this exist to exist. Their resources should be spent on health & safety and, unfortunately, taxation - not on crowlers in coffee shops. Make sure the drinks are safe, kids don't drink, and money is collected. Critical thinking should be valued over blind enforcement.
They could easily lobby their congresspeople to get the laws amended to allow them to focus on things that matter. Instead they keep a bloated staff to enforce rules kept on the books to justify their bloated staff.
"Hey, we could get my golfing buddy, State Congressman Jones, to sponsor a bill changing the crowler law. That would allow me to cut two undercover jobs from my budget and save the taxpayers $70k a year, all while increasing our sales tax revenue. Oh, but wait, Jim Bob's nephew needs a job. Guess we better keep him on the payroll and not worry about changing the law."
My two cents.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:09 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I think state and federal alcohol enforcement agencies are full of shite,
Can't disagree with this at all. Let's add a lot more government agencies into the mix.
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Sounds like someone in competition with them made an "anonymous tip"
That is my point. Even if the law is stupid, the ones who are in compliance would be "glad" to see it enforced if they are complying.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:22 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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I'm not saying the laws are good. By "glad" I'm not saying anyone is glad about the law, but rather that if there is a law and you are trying to comply, you want it to be enforced.
Didn't someone have to interpret the statute to mean that canning the beer in a crowler machine was akin to manufacturing the beer, whereas putting the beer in a bottle with a screw top was not?
If that's the case, then this "law" did not need to be enforced. I have no doubt that the "big guys" were happy about this, and the "little guys" were hurt - especially those little guys who paid thousands of dollars for a crowler machine.
Who was hurt? Craft beer drinkers were the biggest victims, IMO. Cans are much better for the consumer.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:29 pm to RonFNSwanson
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Because one has marijuana. Terrible analogy.
Really? Idiot.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:45 pm to ragincajun03
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illegally canning beer without the proper permit on multiple occasions.
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However, we do not support the continued violation of the law just because a retailer disagrees with it. Cuvee Coffee ignored our repeated warnings and discussions,
How are they "goons" in this situation when Cuvee Coffee was disregarding the law and operating without the permit? The law may be silly, but if this is the way they protest it, then be prepared to be cited.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:49 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Didn't someone have to interpret the statute to mean that canning the beer in a crowler machine was akin to manufacturing
Key words.
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whereas putting the beer in a bottle with a screw top was not
Requires no automation.
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