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Scallions, Shallots, Green Onions, Green Shallots

Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:47 am
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:47 am
I just was told why some people call green onions "shallots".

They said it was because the "green onions" that some people have or grow are actually green shallots. So they weren't wrong as I have been led to believe.

If y'all knew this, why didn' you tell me?
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:52 am to
I mentioned in a post some time ago that I'd heard them or seen them referred to as "shallots". I think it was probably in some pretty old cookbooks. I had no idea why some called them that, though. Certainly confusing.
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:53 am to
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:53 am to
quote:

If y'all knew this, why didn' you tell me?
we dont have your phone number
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:53 am to
They're wrong. Green onions are scallions. Shallots, while related, are different.

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Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:57 am to
Green Onions, Scallions, Shallots, Chives etc

quote:

Some of the recipes in your cookbook call for green onions and some for shallots. I thought they were the same. Green onions are also called scallions, right? But are shallots something else? And what about chives?


A masterpiece of an article about this by the great New Orleans food historian, Tom Fitzmorris.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:05 am to
quote:

A masterpiece of an article about this by the great New Orleans food historian, Tom Fitzmorris.


quote:

The word "shallot" was indeed used for a long time in New Orleans for green onions. When I worked in a grocery store as a teenager, we ordered green onions from the wholesaler as "shallots." But that usage has faded since true shallots have become widely available in grocery stores.


That's interesting. I never knew this.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:15 am to
I think Tommy is wrong on this.

He, like many others, have failed to account for the fact that shallots have a green stage, too.

How do we know, at that early stage, if they are one or the other.

I heard that the original settlers first scrounged wild onions (or shallots?) to use. Gradually they cultivated them. Maybe some were shallots harvested green.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 10:17 am
Posted by jmon
Mandeville, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:17 am to
My dad grows "shallots" every year and cuts them up and bags them in zip locs. He's 95 now and had a bumper crop last year. I'll have to confirm what they actually are.
Posted by MeridianDog
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:36 am to
I am not a food authority.

As I have believed for years, shallots are small purple and white "onions", usually dried somewhat and scallions, or green onions are fresh, with an undried bottom and a green fleshy top.

Onions are always dried somewhat, and if the tops are still there, they are the nearly useless dried remains of what was once a top similar to what you see on green onions.

I guess what sounds best to me, is "I know them when I see them."

All of these belong to the botanical genus Allium and used to be classified as different species if that helps. Shallots, before 2011 had a different species name, but were thrown into the same species box as onions in 2011, in order to make it more confusing.

There is a group of plants that all belong to the genus Allium - Onions, include white, yellow, purple or red varieties, garlic, chives, scallions, leeks. I guess those smelly stinky spring wild onions that are difficult to get rid of, once they manage to get a foothold in your Bermuda grass belong with the rest of the family. I can remember picking my mom bouquets of wild onion flowers when I was a small toddler, and how pleased she seemed to be with my stinky gift.

I am certain this drivel only adds to the confusion.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 10:38 am
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:39 am to
I think calling scallions shallots is a Cajun/Creole thing. My Dad does it.
Posted by Mad Dogg
LA
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:46 am to
So confusing. This is why I always use grunions.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:00 am to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:10 am to
Shallot



Green onion



2 entirely different vegetables
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9584 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:35 am to
But what about green shallots?

Shallot shoot, known also as spring shallots, are the immature fresh version of shallots with their bright green robust shoots still in tact with the thin purple skinned bulb and white roots. The bulb's flavor is milder and sweeter than mature shallots as they have a higher moisture content. Although the bulb is considered the best flavored part of the plant, the shoots are also perfectly edible and similar in flavor to spring onion stems.

Seasons/Availability
Shallot Shoots are available in the spring.

Current Facts
The shallot, a member of the Alliaceae family, is a very hardy perennial grown as an annual. It is a cool weather vegetable usually grown from cloves, not seeds. Vegetatively propagated perennial shallots rarely flower and are farther removed in the onion family than seed-propogated shallots.

Applications
As shallot shoots arrive in Spring, prepare them accordingly. They with pair well with butter, cream, mushrooms, potatoes, pork, mild greens, vinegar and salt. - Specialty Produce

These are green shallots or spring shallots.. I can see why there's so much confusion.



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This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 11:50 am
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:48 am to
I get green onions, scallions, and chives mixed up

A shallot is a completely different thing.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9584 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:53 am to
quote:

A shallot is a completely different thing.
It's a different species, sure. But I think that's missing the point - the reason folks called green onions shallots was that they were growing and using green shallots just like anyone might use green onions (scallions).
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 12:38 pm to
Uncle Roger says shallots are what people with money use in place of yellow or white onion.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59388 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 12:39 pm to
The more likely culprit is that they’re just using the name interchangeably, and technically, incorrectly.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9584 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 12:55 pm to
Foodwise Farmers Market Guide to Alliums:



quote:

Scallions: Also known as green onions, scallions are not to be confused with spring onions. While spring onions are on track to grow into the mature bulbous onions, scallions are onions with bulbs that never grow bigger.


I never knew this.

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