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Low Temp Brisket Question
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:08 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:08 am
I usually try to smoke a brisket around 275 but my smoker just won't hold that kind of steady heat without constant monitoring (adding small wood chunks literally every 10-15 min). But it will hold steady for hours around 180-200.
Question is, how much will this affect the final product? Yes I know it will take a few hours longer but if I don't have to sit by the cooker constantly I'll sacrifice the extra cook time. Will this make the meat too dry? Will it ruin the bark or flavor by being over smoked?
I can get restaurant quality brisket at my current method of 275 but i have to sit by the pit the entire day. I'm almost to the point of trying to further insulate my cooker, or try cooking at a lower temp.
I am using homemade version of the Oklahoma Joe Smoker, the fire box is slightly different but it's basically the exact same thing.
(Oklahoma Joe Cooker Stock Photo)
Question is, how much will this affect the final product? Yes I know it will take a few hours longer but if I don't have to sit by the cooker constantly I'll sacrifice the extra cook time. Will this make the meat too dry? Will it ruin the bark or flavor by being over smoked?
I can get restaurant quality brisket at my current method of 275 but i have to sit by the pit the entire day. I'm almost to the point of trying to further insulate my cooker, or try cooking at a lower temp.
I am using homemade version of the Oklahoma Joe Smoker, the fire box is slightly different but it's basically the exact same thing.
(Oklahoma Joe Cooker Stock Photo)
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 3:14 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:35 am to Jack Ruby
I think the meat will likely be fine, just take longer to get there.
That's why I quickly abandoned a side burner like you have. A Weber Smokey Mountain for $299 can get a temp dialed in go 12+ hours on a load of fuel, and it takes up little space. Even the smaller 18" model can cook two packer briskets.
Some folks love the old style cookers, but they required too much babying for me.
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I can get restaurant quality brisket at my current method of 275 but i have to sit by the pit the entire day. I'm almost to the point of trying to further insulate my cooker, or try cooking at a lower temp.
That's why I quickly abandoned a side burner like you have. A Weber Smokey Mountain for $299 can get a temp dialed in go 12+ hours on a load of fuel, and it takes up little space. Even the smaller 18" model can cook two packer briskets.
Some folks love the old style cookers, but they required too much babying for me.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:47 am to Jack Ruby
I normally smoke at 225. I've found my best brisket are my most consistent -- no huge temp swings, stays in the same range. With that said, can you still keep the fire lit for a significant amount of time between 180-200?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 6:58 am to weskarl
I know you will be murdered at the stakes if you do it, but you could always smoke it for half the time and finish in the oven at 250/260
Posted on 5/20/16 at 7:07 am to Jack Ruby
depends on what you want your final destination to be
I like to get my briskets up to 195- 200 so if you are cooking at 200 it will take a long time to get there. If you have the time then go for it
if have the same rig that you do and I a my need to add fuel every hour or so to stay around 275
I like to get my briskets up to 195- 200 so if you are cooking at 200 it will take a long time to get there. If you have the time then go for it
if have the same rig that you do and I a my need to add fuel every hour or so to stay around 275
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:02 am to weskarl
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I've found my best brisket are my most consistent -- no huge temp swings, stays in the same range. With that said, can you still keep the fire lit for a significant amount of time between 180-200?
Yeah that's the real hard part for my cooker, it wants to stay low, it will spike obviously when I put on more wood, but it consistently dies down to around 200, and relatively quickly too. I walk away for more than 25-30 minutes and the temp has dropped significantly. I put on more wood than I should and the temp wil spike to 350...and this is during the summer and Fall so I know it's not the weather. I guess I'm going to have to try to insulate the fire box somehow to hold heat better, it's 3/8 thick steel though, I thought it would hold heat better.
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I know you will be murdered at the stakes if you do it, but you could always smoke it for half the time and finish in the oven at 250/260
I wrap my brisket the last 2 or 3 hours of cooking so I'm essentially putting it in the oven anyway.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:03 am to Jack Ruby
I've been using an 18" Weber Smokey Mountain for a number of years.
Using the Minion Method I can maintain 200-225 for at least 12 hours after it settles in, Have gone as long as 14 hrs without adding any more charcoal. Just top off the water pan after 10 or 12 hours. For Brisket and Pork Butts low and slow is they way to go!
Using the Minion Method I can maintain 200-225 for at least 12 hours after it settles in, Have gone as long as 14 hrs without adding any more charcoal. Just top off the water pan after 10 or 12 hours. For Brisket and Pork Butts low and slow is they way to go!
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:09 am to Jack Ruby
If you wrap it in foil, it should cook a little quicker. I typically cook mine, then wrap with 3-4 hours remaining. I smoke @ 225 FWIW.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:19 am to Jack Ruby
I think you'll be fine. I'd recommend keeping the temp around 250 - 275 for at least the first two or three hours. Put the work in so your bark can be formed. Once the bark is formed and it's the color you want to END UP WITH, wrap it in paper or foil and let the smoker drop to the 180 - 200 range it wants to hold.
The meat is most susceptible to accepting smoke in the first two hours anyway. After that you're just cooking to a doneness level. My offset stick burner is very similar to yours but a little bigger and sturdier. Initially when I first bought it, I had the same issues you're seeing. But once I learned the airflow, I could stabilize temps where I needed them and maintained them easily.
I'd suggest checking that. If you have a bunch of air going into your firebox the fire is going to burn out quickly. If your smoke stack vent it too closed your fire will burn out quickly. You need to find the right combination of air in - air out. Once you do that, it's cake.
And as someone mentioned, if you're tired of dealing with it, cover it and move it to the oven at 275.
eta: my smoker and brisket
The meat is most susceptible to accepting smoke in the first two hours anyway. After that you're just cooking to a doneness level. My offset stick burner is very similar to yours but a little bigger and sturdier. Initially when I first bought it, I had the same issues you're seeing. But once I learned the airflow, I could stabilize temps where I needed them and maintained them easily.
I'd suggest checking that. If you have a bunch of air going into your firebox the fire is going to burn out quickly. If your smoke stack vent it too closed your fire will burn out quickly. You need to find the right combination of air in - air out. Once you do that, it's cake.
And as someone mentioned, if you're tired of dealing with it, cover it and move it to the oven at 275.
eta: my smoker and brisket
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 9:42 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:45 am to Jack Ruby
When you have some free time do a little research on smoker modifications. I put some mods on a similar one for a friend and it made a significant difference. On amazon for $20 you can buy food grade high-temp sealant for seams and areas where smoke/heat is escaping and gasket felt to help seal the door and firebox opening.
This probably won't solve the heat distribution issues with an offset (one side begin significantly hotter than the other side) but it could make a world of different with your heat retention.
Last, always used a probe thermometer for the grill and meat, can't trust the built in thermometers, especially on offsets.
This probably won't solve the heat distribution issues with an offset (one side begin significantly hotter than the other side) but it could make a world of different with your heat retention.
Last, always used a probe thermometer for the grill and meat, can't trust the built in thermometers, especially on offsets.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:48 am to GeauxTigers0107
I also find with my smoker like that if i use more charcoal, and just some wood chunks added occasionally for the smoke taste it does better than if I try using mostly wood.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 11:46 am to commode
Depends on what kind of wood you're smoking with too. I do my brisket at 250 for 12 hours and I start with a good bed of coals. I watch the temp and let it stabilize before adding wood chunks and brisket. My choice of wood for brisket has always been post oak chunks because I find it burns hotter longer. As the coals start to ash down and temps start decreasing I throw a few chunks on and watch how it affects the temp (on a Maverick Grate Thermometer). Move the meat accordingly and open/close vents as needed.
It's a lot of work but worth the gratification knowing you accomplished it with one of the harder methods.
It's a lot of work but worth the gratification knowing you accomplished it with one of the harder methods.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:02 pm to Jack Ruby
You think using a water pan would help with the temperature fluctuations?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:29 pm to arn
yes it will. but it wont keep it at that temp for very long. the water pan is more for wood flare ups of a 5-10 mins lag in the fire between coals.
Im doing a brisket tonight. Finally going to tryout my Heatermeter.
Im doing a brisket tonight. Finally going to tryout my Heatermeter.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:30 pm to Jack Ruby
Would adding something in the smoker like fire bricks help hold or regulate the temp?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:43 pm to upgrayedd
well anything that would heat up and slowly release/absorb heat will help regulate temp. But remember you put water/bricks in there you need more energy to get them up to temp. so you would need more fire.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:36 pm to Jack Ruby
If I want to buy half a brisket, which cut is better? I'll be smoking it and slicing for sandwiches.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:39 pm to CarRamrod
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well anything that would heat up and slowly release/absorb heat will help regulate temp. But remember you put water/bricks in there you need more energy to get them up to temp. so you would need more fire.
You could preheat in an oven or on a separate burner
Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:52 pm to LSUlefty
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If I want to buy half a brisket, which cut is better? I'll be smoking it and slicing for sandwiches.
Generally the flat makes better sandwiches.
The point is much fattier but when rendered down, can produce awesome burnt ends.
If you're talking about which grade of meat is better, Prime is tops then Choice and Select is the lowest grade. Of course I'm leaving out Wagyu and Kobe but those two are considered best of the best, are priced accordingly and should never be turned into a sandwich IMO.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:01 pm to GeauxTigers0107
I had an offset that I used to smoke on, and it was the same way. Would jump up to over 325 every time I added new wood or coals, and then back down to 250 within a half hour. Slowly drop to around 200 over the next hour. I started using the side burner to light my coals, once they got done flaming and were red, I'd add the chunks of wood, still in the chimney starter, and once they started smoking I would open the hatch on the smoke box and dump it all in. Less time opening and closing for the heat to escape. And the fire wasn't just starting up from throwing fresh in and the burn off from the coals spiking the temps.
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