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re: NYT: Comparing the Las Vegas Attack With Daily Gun Deaths in U.S. Cities
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:18 am to bobby_3_sticks
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:18 am to bobby_3_sticks
quote:It won’t come from politicians. Calling out he bad actors will cost too many votes.
I haven't really heard of other answers besides gun control. I am 100% all ears for other solutions.
It wasn’t long ago that democrats mantra was “character doesn’t matter!”
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:19 am to bobby_3_sticks
quote:"do you think that there would have been 58 murders in 28 days in chicago without guns? I doubt any rational person does. "
Did I advocate for stricter gun control here?
Then wtf is this ^^ ?!!
I'm still waiting to hear a reasonable explanation as to why the place that tries the hardest to create an environment... what was your phrase... "without guns".... has the highest gun murder rate in the country.... by far.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:27 am to bobby_3_sticks
So this caterwauling means leftists will come out strong for the wall eventually?
Surely if they ever ban a large swath of weapons they will be gung ho to keep criminals from getting Mexican guns, right?
Surely if they ever ban a large swath of weapons they will be gung ho to keep criminals from getting Mexican guns, right?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:30 am to BigJim
quote:
If you could wave a magic wand and make guns disappear, sure, it would probably have a significant effect on the number of murders.
But gun control legislation is not magic.
100% this.
our world would be a much better place if guns never existed, but they do, and there's no turning back.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:31 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
It won’t come from politicians. Calling out he bad actors will cost too many votes.
Well I generally agree, but how do address the issue?
Of course, we can say well let's not address it. Since I am unlikely to be a victim of gun violence, i am sorta ok with that.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:53 am to bobby_3_sticks
quote:
Well I generally agree, but how do address the issue?
Of course, we can say well let's not address it. Since I am unlikely to be a victim of gun violence, i am sorta ok with that.
There are two VERY broad categories of issues:
Mass casualty events (nut job who snapped)
Street crime
They have different solutions. For the nut jobs we need better mental health. Now notice I didn't say 'more money into mental health services,' though that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The human mind is complex and we don't really understand it, much less how to fix it when it has a problem. As diagnosis and treatment gets better, then services will improve. Never going to prevent all nut jobs from snapping though.
Street crime- better lives with people more invested in the legal economy. Again, probably not just spending more money. Better education/training and more opportunity (ie jobs). Also police intervention programs (BRAVE here in Baton Rouge) seem to work, but they require a lot of man power and will power.
No easy answer here, but progress can be made. We should always be suspicious of easy answers regardless.
Get at the root causes and fix the problems. Don't do some knee-jerk policy that probably does nothing anyway.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:58 am to BigJim
thanks for the honest answer.
I definitely think mental health improvements will help to address. This is why, the ACA while so flawed is cool, as health insurance has to cover it. But of course, how do you get those people into treatment? That I don't know.
Completely agree. We also need policing reform, real penalties for cops who abuse their power. This is solely to help improve relationships with lower income communities. In addition, drug legalization/decriminalization.
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They have different solutions. For the nut jobs we need better mental health. Now notice I didn't say 'more money into mental health services,' though that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The human mind is complex and we don't really understand it, much less how to fix it when it has a problem. As diagnosis and treatment gets better, then services will improve. Never going to prevent all nut jobs from snapping though.
I definitely think mental health improvements will help to address. This is why, the ACA while so flawed is cool, as health insurance has to cover it. But of course, how do you get those people into treatment? That I don't know.
quote:
Street crime- better lives with people more invested in the legal economy. Again, probably not just spending more money. Better education/training and more opportunity (ie jobs). Also police intervention programs (BRAVE here in Baton Rouge) seem to work, but they require a lot of man power and will power.
Completely agree. We also need policing reform, real penalties for cops who abuse their power. This is solely to help improve relationships with lower income communities. In addition, drug legalization/decriminalization.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:55 pm to bobby_3_sticks
quote:Outside of politics. It's a cultural/societal issue. Politicians have a terrible track record of legislating morality.
how do address the issue?
quote:It's up to the poeple to do as they wish. No one likes to admit it... but there is little law-makers can do.
Of course, we can say well let's not address it
There is no magic.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:56 pm to Taxing Authority
So you basically have no ideas?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:57 pm to 632627
quote:
our world would be a much better place if guns never existed, but they do, and there's no turning back.
Meh, I can't imagine living in squalor under enormous, oppressive monarchies and oligarchies was a lot of fun.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:58 pm to Antonio Moss
Crossbow attacks ain't nothing to frick with
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:59 pm to CorporateTiger
No shite. Joe D can preach on that.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:07 pm to bobby_3_sticks
quote:Legislatively? Not anything that would ever pass Congress.
So you basically have no ideas?
Really, what's needed is a great big does of personal responsibility. Here's the thing. When you don't have government to bail you out--you become a lot nicer to your friends, neighbors, and family. You might need them someday. And if you're a complete a-hole, they won't help you. But government will.
But this is the type of government shrinkage that will not happen until it gets much, much worse.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:12 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Legislatively? Not anything that would ever pass Congress.
well nothing seems to get through congress over the last 6 years.
What would be those ideas? Genuinely curious.
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