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re: What's the OB consensus on 6.5 Creedmore?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:21 pm to Propagandalf
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:21 pm to Propagandalf
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I understand the subjective reasoning to choosing .243, but all things considered, objectively what advantage does the .243 have over the 6.5C?
None. At 500yds on up the 6.5 is a better caliber for hunting large game. At punching paper both are equal at 1000yds.
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Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:36 pm to saintsfan1977
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At punching paper both are equal at 1000yds.
Ballistics would say otherwise.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:36 pm to bayouteche
Bought the same gun 3 months ago for 345$ on gun broker. My friend reloaded some hornady 143gr eldx and it’s the most accurate gun I own. Shoots tighter groups than my tikka which is saying something. All in all I’m very happy with it. For the price you can’t beat it.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:11 pm to saintsfan1977
By your reasoning a .22lr is just as good as a .308 or what ever else round you choose.
If shot placement is key a .22lr will kill as well as anything else...
If shot placement is key a .22lr will kill as well as anything else...
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:42 pm to bbvdd
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If shot placement is key a .22lr will kill as well as anything else...
Depends on the distance.
A 6.5cm is a very accurate rd and it uses heavier bullets than a 243. Thats the advantage. It doesnt do anything better than a 243 under 400yds. If you want to kill a deer at 500yds you want the 6.5cm because it will have more energy at that distance.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:47 pm to bbvdd
Like others here I've been thinking hard on the predator in 6.5 creedmoor. Glad this thread was started. I think the only reason I haven't picked one up is because I have the predator in .308 already
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:02 pm to bayouteche
I have the Ruger American predator in 6.5 and it is a tack driver with Hornady ammo
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:13 pm to texag7
Which hornady you runnin if you don't mind me askin
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:15 pm to texag7
Have a Desert Tech srs-a1 with both .308 & 6.5CM barrels. I prefer the 6.5 everytime.
I’ll also second the hornady ammo accuracy. I considered reloading at one time. With the accuracy I’m getting with the hornady 140gr eld’s it’s pointless.
I’ll also second the hornady ammo accuracy. I considered reloading at one time. With the accuracy I’m getting with the hornady 140gr eld’s it’s pointless.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:27 pm to Chief0218
Both the 129 gr and the 140 gr
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:39 pm to bayouteche
the 6.5 Creedmore is a find deer hunting and target round. At the OB, the 6.5 CM has taken on nearly mythical status. Regardless, it's basically a ballistic twin w/ the 6.5x55 and 260 Rem, 2 other rounds that have sterling reputations. One advantage for the 6.5 CM right now compared to the other 6.5's is ammo: I think the 6.5 CM ammo is generally higher quality and is also prob easier to find. It should also be a good youth gun, especially w/ reduced recoil rounds. It shoots a little flatter than the 308, but of course it does so w/ a smaller diameter bullet. Using a good hunting bullet at appropriate ranges a hunter carrying a 6.5 CM will be well armed.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:51 pm to Cwar11
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With the accuracy I’m getting with the hornady 140gr eld’s it’s pointless
I've also been pretty impressed with the ELDs.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 11:03 pm to Propagandalf
I shoot 143gr hornady eld x in 6.5. Wicked
Posted on 10/27/17 at 11:29 pm to bayouteche
My dad bought the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 a couple months ago.
First trip to the range he had a 3 shot group just a shade over 1 inch with Hornady 143gr ELD-X.
(He has never shot close to an inch group with any gun, ever!)
Very accurate, low recoil, decent trigger(it adjusted down to 3 lb 5 oz)
Hard to find a comparable gun in the price range.
He paid $400
Waiting on rifle season to see how it performs on deer.
First trip to the range he had a 3 shot group just a shade over 1 inch with Hornady 143gr ELD-X.
(He has never shot close to an inch group with any gun, ever!)
Very accurate, low recoil, decent trigger(it adjusted down to 3 lb 5 oz)
Hard to find a comparable gun in the price range.
He paid $400
Waiting on rifle season to see how it performs on deer.
Posted on 10/28/17 at 12:45 am to saintsfan1977
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6.5cm is a very accurate rd and it uses heavier bullets than a 243. Thats the advantage. It doesnt do anything better than a 243 under 400yds. If you want to kill a deer at 500yds you want the 6.5cm because it will have more energy at that distance.
This image doesn't even factor in wind drift or ballistics past 500, but look at how much more energy the 6.5 has, and that's the light bullets against heavier .243, not the 6.5 140s. I would say that's better. The .243 being able to "also" at "X range" does not constitute an advantage especially when the advantage only grows in the favor of the 6.5 as X range increases. Again, not knocking the .243 for LA style hunting, but c'mon man, you have to admit the .243 is out of its league when compared to cartidges larger than it's category. People ask me all the time how the 6.5CM compares to the 6.5G because they both share the 6.5 prefix. But I always tell them the 6.5G is a game changer in its class, but because of limitations in powder charge and OAL it's unfair to compare it to the 6.5 CM or other cartridges in the 6.5CM class. The 6.5CM does have competition in its class, but the .243 is just not part of that class. You can see this in any ballistics calculator.
Posted on 10/28/17 at 2:51 am to Propagandalf
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This image doesn't even factor in wind drift or ballistics past 500, but look at how much more energy the 6.5 has, and that's the light bullets against heavier .243, not the 6.5 140s. I would say that's better. The .243 being able to "also" at "X range" does not constitute an advantage especially when the advantage only grows in the favor of the 6.5 as X range increases.
The 6.5 has better ballistics without a doubt, but looking at that chart is just numbers. At 200 yds there is no advantage. At 500 there is if you shooting a large game due to the energy. People shoot prairie dogs at 600 with a 243. The heavier the bullet the better BC which obviously the 243 wont have and that effects drift. The 6.5x55 is exactly the same cartridge as the 6.5 CM.
Anybody capable of hitting something consistently at 1000yds can do it with a 243, 6mm, or 6.5CM. At 1000 yds the 243 will drop less by a long shot but wind drift will be much more.
Look how many people shoot long range with a 6mm. There is nothing wrong with a 6.5CM. You get better barrel life and heavier bullets. The problem with the 243 is twist rates for light bullets. If you can get a 1:7 twist 243 you arent missing anything. Hunting wise at reasonable ranges there is no difference.
How many people here actually use a 6.5 to shoot farther than 200yds? I mean if you just want the caliber to play with sure you buy one. It doesnt do anything better though.
This post was edited on 10/28/17 at 3:06 am
Posted on 10/28/17 at 4:06 am to saintsfan1977
Yea as best I can tell it’s a ballistic twin of the 6.5x55 Swede which has been around since the late 1800’s. The 6.5cm has the advantage of comfortably fitting in any .308 length action and it was introduced at the perfect time, right when the tactical craze really got a head of steam. It was the new light recoiling long range caliber that wasn’t the same old boring .308 nor the barrel killer of the 6.5x284 Norma. The 6.5x55 is ancient and metric, and the .260 rem comes across as the .270’s candy arse little brother which is also ancient. Why buy a .260 when you can get a .270?
It’s a great caliber. I’m shamelessly a huge fan of the swede because I’ve had two of them and killed a pile of deer with it. I do like the creedmore a lot and while I feel it’s been very overhyped as some revolutionary piece of tactical long range wonder cartridge, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one.
It’s a great caliber. I’m shamelessly a huge fan of the swede because I’ve had two of them and killed a pile of deer with it. I do like the creedmore a lot and while I feel it’s been very overhyped as some revolutionary piece of tactical long range wonder cartridge, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one.
Posted on 10/28/17 at 7:25 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I can’t speak much on the .243 however after sandy hook I got frustrated trying to get components to reload for long range shooting for my .308’s. So I switched over to 6.5 creed then.
I have two of them both custom guns I use for long range shooting and hunting. It is an outstanding round 1200 yards and under for long range target practice. Beyond that you start having trouble with wind and ballistics has been my finding and most others.
For hunting I ha e taken deer to 500 yards and one pig at 922. No issues with nock down or energy with the creed on white tail at that distance. I wouldn’t shoot a large animal much beyond 500/600 yards as for me the energy isn’t where I want it. Under 500 yards I would shoot any North American deer/elk/moose. I think for deer hunting in the SE it’s a hard round to beat.
If I was hunting out west it wouldn’t be my first choice. While you can kill anything with it shot placement becomes MUCH more important. For that kind of hunting get a bigger caliber. Just because a world renowned shooter can kill and elk with it at 800 yards doesn’t mean the average shooter like you and I can do it.
Hopefully that gives a little insight I love the creed for around here and shoot it a bunch every week. If you are around Folsom and want to test drive one let me know.
I have two of them both custom guns I use for long range shooting and hunting. It is an outstanding round 1200 yards and under for long range target practice. Beyond that you start having trouble with wind and ballistics has been my finding and most others.
For hunting I ha e taken deer to 500 yards and one pig at 922. No issues with nock down or energy with the creed on white tail at that distance. I wouldn’t shoot a large animal much beyond 500/600 yards as for me the energy isn’t where I want it. Under 500 yards I would shoot any North American deer/elk/moose. I think for deer hunting in the SE it’s a hard round to beat.
If I was hunting out west it wouldn’t be my first choice. While you can kill anything with it shot placement becomes MUCH more important. For that kind of hunting get a bigger caliber. Just because a world renowned shooter can kill and elk with it at 800 yards doesn’t mean the average shooter like you and I can do it.
Hopefully that gives a little insight I love the creed for around here and shoot it a bunch every week. If you are around Folsom and want to test drive one let me know.
Posted on 10/28/17 at 10:59 am to saintsfan1977
Warning: this will be too long for some.
I've been following this thread since the beginning. I've been very proud that I've been disciplined enough to avoid jumping off into the "243 vs everything else" side debate. I try to avoid joining threads where it looks like someone just wants to argue, but I've reached my breaking point. To my inner self I'll start off by asking for forgiveness.
This statement is symbolic of a number of problems I have w/ the 243 proponent in this thread. The OP asked a reasonable question cartridge and gun qustion of the OB. Next thing you know, w/o provocation, someone starts singing the praises of the 243. I don't expect to change this person's mind, but I feel it necessary to contribute in case a young hunter/shooter might be mislead.
The 243 proponent's comments show a lack of experience either shooting at long range (where the CM is clearly better as already demonstrated in other posts) or hunting. Yes, the 243 can be used for pd hunting. But I'll bet the 243 proponent hasn't been on a pd hunt. If he had he'd know that compared to a better pd round like the 223, the 243 has too much recoil and muzzle blast for prolonged shooting and has increased risk of ricochets. I go on 2 pd hunts every summer. Some of my guests have taken 243's. In fact, a 243 shooter went w/ me this past summer. He shot the gun some mainly because he wanted a little target practice for the winter, but he ended up shooting my 221 Fireball rifle a whole lot more. We commonly shoot 100-200 rounds/day; that's not fun w/ the 243.
That's not true. My concern w/ the 243 for big game hunting has nothing to do w/ ballistic tables and energy comparisons, but instead bullet performance. Big game 24 caliber bullets have improved considerably w/ bonded core bullet technology, but they're still more prone to core/jacket separation and inadequate penetration, especially at extreme shooting angles when compared to a similar larger diameter bullet. Like other high velocity rifle rounds, a double lung shot deer will die instantly when shot w/ 243. But every now and then there will be exceptions and the deer doesn't "die right there." When this happens, there's less likelihood of a decent blood trail for a 243 shot deer than a deer shot w/ a 6.5mm or bigger bullet. Even when the bullet penetrates nicely, a 6 mm hole in a deer doesn't seem to make as good a blood trail. I once shot a deer at 50 yards w/ a 6mm handgun. Despite a double lung shot w/ nice entrance and exit holes the deer ran nearly 100 yards w/o a blood trail. That doesn't happen w/ a 120 gr 6.5mm bullet I shoot even though the 6mm has 400 f/s more velocity. It's about bullet performance. At times, the 24 caliber bullet is not as reliable as bigger bullets. And yes, anyone shooting a bigger caliber bullet can, snd someday will, make a bad shot; even then a deer's more likely to be found badly shot w/ a bigger bullet than a 243.
Make no mistake-I'm not dissing the man who hunts w/ a 243; just be aware of your guns capabilities; use a deep penetrating bullet that's heavy for caliber and be careful w/ extreme angling shots, especially on big bodied deer. The 243 is a fine gun, and in the right hands it can be a good deer round. OTOH, anyone w/ extensive experience shooting, skinning and tracking deer will know the it's not equal to the 6.5 Creedmore in all circumstances. I've got one question for the 243 proponent. Your deer hunting when a heavy bodied deer that's a buck of a lifetime steps out 200 yards away at the edge of a large, bad thicket. There's only a few minutes of daylight left. Your only shot is a severe angling away shot where the bullet will have to enter at the paunch to reach the lungs. There are two guns in your stand, a 243 Win and a 6.5 CM. Which gun do you reach for? I know which gun I'll grab to harvest the trophy.
I've been following this thread since the beginning. I've been very proud that I've been disciplined enough to avoid jumping off into the "243 vs everything else" side debate. I try to avoid joining threads where it looks like someone just wants to argue, but I've reached my breaking point. To my inner self I'll start off by asking for forgiveness.
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People shoot prairie dogs at 600 with a 243.
This statement is symbolic of a number of problems I have w/ the 243 proponent in this thread. The OP asked a reasonable question cartridge and gun qustion of the OB. Next thing you know, w/o provocation, someone starts singing the praises of the 243. I don't expect to change this person's mind, but I feel it necessary to contribute in case a young hunter/shooter might be mislead.
The 243 proponent's comments show a lack of experience either shooting at long range (where the CM is clearly better as already demonstrated in other posts) or hunting. Yes, the 243 can be used for pd hunting. But I'll bet the 243 proponent hasn't been on a pd hunt. If he had he'd know that compared to a better pd round like the 223, the 243 has too much recoil and muzzle blast for prolonged shooting and has increased risk of ricochets. I go on 2 pd hunts every summer. Some of my guests have taken 243's. In fact, a 243 shooter went w/ me this past summer. He shot the gun some mainly because he wanted a little target practice for the winter, but he ended up shooting my 221 Fireball rifle a whole lot more. We commonly shoot 100-200 rounds/day; that's not fun w/ the 243.
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Hunting wise at reasonable ranges there is no difference.
That's not true. My concern w/ the 243 for big game hunting has nothing to do w/ ballistic tables and energy comparisons, but instead bullet performance. Big game 24 caliber bullets have improved considerably w/ bonded core bullet technology, but they're still more prone to core/jacket separation and inadequate penetration, especially at extreme shooting angles when compared to a similar larger diameter bullet. Like other high velocity rifle rounds, a double lung shot deer will die instantly when shot w/ 243. But every now and then there will be exceptions and the deer doesn't "die right there." When this happens, there's less likelihood of a decent blood trail for a 243 shot deer than a deer shot w/ a 6.5mm or bigger bullet. Even when the bullet penetrates nicely, a 6 mm hole in a deer doesn't seem to make as good a blood trail. I once shot a deer at 50 yards w/ a 6mm handgun. Despite a double lung shot w/ nice entrance and exit holes the deer ran nearly 100 yards w/o a blood trail. That doesn't happen w/ a 120 gr 6.5mm bullet I shoot even though the 6mm has 400 f/s more velocity. It's about bullet performance. At times, the 24 caliber bullet is not as reliable as bigger bullets. And yes, anyone shooting a bigger caliber bullet can, snd someday will, make a bad shot; even then a deer's more likely to be found badly shot w/ a bigger bullet than a 243.
Make no mistake-I'm not dissing the man who hunts w/ a 243; just be aware of your guns capabilities; use a deep penetrating bullet that's heavy for caliber and be careful w/ extreme angling shots, especially on big bodied deer. The 243 is a fine gun, and in the right hands it can be a good deer round. OTOH, anyone w/ extensive experience shooting, skinning and tracking deer will know the it's not equal to the 6.5 Creedmore in all circumstances. I've got one question for the 243 proponent. Your deer hunting when a heavy bodied deer that's a buck of a lifetime steps out 200 yards away at the edge of a large, bad thicket. There's only a few minutes of daylight left. Your only shot is a severe angling away shot where the bullet will have to enter at the paunch to reach the lungs. There are two guns in your stand, a 243 Win and a 6.5 CM. Which gun do you reach for? I know which gun I'll grab to harvest the trophy.
Posted on 10/28/17 at 11:29 am to TigerOnThe Hill
Don’t forget TigerOnThe Hill, he doesn’t own one.
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I dont own either one. I shoot a 270, but I hunt with guys that shoot 223 and 243 and none have lost a deer yet with over a dozen killed between both the last 5 years. At distances of 100yds or more also
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