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LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.

Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 am
any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash. one of, if not THE primary reasons that O was hired was to maintain continuity and talent (especially that recruiting class that apparently we could never live without, year after year).

any claim that Canada needs more time works against O, also, because basically the rest of his sales pitch was that in addition to continuity (aka, no rebuild), he would hire the best coordinators and they would keep the team rolling. so Canada (and whatever OC replaces him when he leaves) get 0 patience or waiting time because we were promised that we would have a top offense with a revolving door of OCs and there would never be a drop off in production. that is Ed's phil-O-sophy (And the same argument will apply to the D when Aranda leaves. O has no room for any mistakes in hiring coordinators since he is completely reliant on them)

so anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild or that he lied to our AD when our AD decided he wasn't going to do an actual coaching search and went with the laziest choice in modern college football.
Posted by doya2
Charenton
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:28 am to
LSU has been in a rebuild on the OL and DL for 3 years....with little success.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79189 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to
LSU hired O for continuity, so basically the powers that be did not want a rebuild, they wanted a refresh.

this program needed new fresh ideas, not just a new coat of paint to cover up problems in the past.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to
amazing this "rebuild narrative" has been created in just a few days. nobody was mentioning a rebuild until after state drilled us by 30.
Posted by The Godfather
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to
have an upvote
Posted by TigerFan4040
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to
Dumb thread is really dumb. No matter how you slice it, LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant.

Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
Posted by tigerfoot
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to
quote:

LSU has been in a rebuild on the OL and DL for 3 years....with little success.
thus is the new rant mantra. We had good play out of the DL last year, and they all came back
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to
quote:

amazing this "rebuild narrative" has been created in just a few days.

quite positive after the chaos of LSU hiring O, i made a few threads saying "you better not say O needs time" in different ways
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to
The bar is being constantly lowered so O could meet it. Publicly, perception was he had to go undefeated last year to get the job. Then it was he could lose one game if he beat Bama. Then it was they looked good so who cares how many they lost.

On a macro level, we went from winning 10 games is not enough to publicly people on here saying they expect to win 8 or 9 games with O. If O can't meet expectations of the program, we shouldn't adjust the expectations to rationalize a mistake. You can't hire a CEO who campaigned on not doing anything and hiring good people. It doesn't work.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
423384 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 am to
quote:

No matter how you slice it, LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant.

he
was
hired
to
avoid
a
rebuild

the entire point in hiring him was to avoid the growing pains

are you saying that he lied or that he is too stupid to understand what status LSU was at when he made that pitch?

those are your 2 choices
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22794 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 am to
Our DL issues are based off Herron suspended, rashard and ed hurt and shelvin not cleared....

Missing on the big boy from Houston was big......

But our DL will be balling once rashard Herron and ed can all play....
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79189 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
yeah, Oklahoma is rebuilding huh
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57793 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to
quote:

any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash.


Anytime you lose 14/22 starters (and in key positions), you have to rebuild in some form or fashion.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25244 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"


Show me Paul Chryst's rebuild at Wisconsin.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to
maybe we should just fire him and Canada immediately. see where that leaves the program. ya think any coach would want to come to LSU then?

you and others are determined to "prove" O was a bad hire after one frickin' game. what a waste of time.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112734 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to
quote:

LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant.



Wasn't Orgeron hired to keep the talent in hand?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22794 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to
Oklahoma has Baker Mayfield..
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29173 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:35 am to
if only we had a body of work to see how coach o does when he has his system and players in place....
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20362 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:35 am to
Thank you.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79189 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:35 am to
quote:

the entire point in hiring him was to avoid the growing pains
hiring Orgeron was Alleva's way to take short cuts in getting football back to the national stage.

apparently the only problem that alleva saw was miles when it was the infrastructure that needed fixing, not just its figurehead.
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