re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.

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Anytime you lose 14/22 starters (and in key positions), you have to rebuild in some form or fashion.

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not to the level of getting blown out by Ms State

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maybe we should just fire him and Canada immediately. see where that leaves the program. ya think any coach would want to come to LSU then?

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i didn't say we should do that

but that doesn't eliminate the fact that hiring O was a complete and utter disaster and any fan who supported the hire before it was made should feel terrible and accept the blame for the crash of the LSU program. those people wanted O, so they have to live with the results. i hope they apologize to the real fans when this abortion is over

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you and others are determined to "prove" O was a bad hire after one frickin' game

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i proved he was a bad hire before we lost a game. the results are just confirming it

Not to mention it was shy Miles was fired in September, to stop a potential slide.

It's sad I have but one upvote to give.

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any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash. one of, if not THE primary reasons that O was hired was to maintain continuity and talent (especially that recruiting class that apparently we could never live without, year after year).

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Yup.

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any claim that Canada needs more time works against O, also, because basically the rest of his sales pitch was that in addition to continuity (aka, no rebuild), he would hire the best coordinators and they would keep the team rolling. so Canada (and whatever OC replaces him when he leaves) get 0 patience or waiting time because we were promised that we would have a top offense with a revolving door of OCs and there would never be a drop off in production. that is Ed's phil-O-sophy (And the same argument will apply to the D when Aranda leaves. O has no room for any mistakes in hiring coordinators since he is completely reliant on them)

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I hammered most of the summer. The plan doesn't make sense unless O can routinely 1) Hire the very best coordinators nearly most likely every 1-2 years 2) Incorporate new philosophies very quickly

This whole idea that the THE PLAN is to constantly hire the best coordinators IS DUMB. There's no guiding philosophy, there's no single, strong vision leading them. We're just running a separate offense and defense, not an overall game plan.

There's a difference between a head coach where the plan is do control the game of football by doing x, y, and z and hiring coordinators that can help that vision - and having to do that frequently..... and planning to hire coordinators frequently as the basis of the plan.

It's mindboggling that people don't see that.

I still askk: What is O's vision for LSU football? How does he want to win games? How does he approach the game of football?

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Alleva and the administration felt that LSU was still close to contending and simply needed a new face leading the way. That is far from many of the concepts of rebuilding.

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exactly. that was literally the sales pitch to those not in the "one of us" cult

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Lincoln riley wins one game and he is a legend....let's see what Lincoln does without a goat....much like Sumlin.

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Shouldn't they be in a rebuild? I was told if you switch head coaches and OCs you are automatically in a rebuild. That guy just shitkicked Urban Meyer in his rebuild. He might not be a legend, but he now has one win better than ANY win on Ed's resume.

The Big 10 West, and have played Utah State, BYU and Florida Atlantic this year...

Ed O would be undefeated with Baker Mayfield at qb...you missing the point....he is playing with a 5th year Heisman.

"I know I inherited a top 15 team and another stellar recruiting class, but do you really expect this team to be great with a potential All American running back and senior QB? This is why they hired me, and not a casual fan, to be the head coach of this team."

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Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"

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Let me qualify this with I am in no way a CEO sunshine pumper whatsoever.