re: Yes or No: Duncan is the better player than Kobe all time

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B. The rest of the shite you posted is comical "get off my lawn" bullshite.

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Bruh, I'm in my early-mid 30s...that hardly qualifies me to be get off my lawn. It quite literally is that my age group were the peak sports consumer during Jordan & Kobe's prime, which qualifies me to have a legit opinion on this argument since I've been a hoops junkie my entire life.

Before the internet & smartphones exploded, we were passing handwritten lists in class to each other of the "top 20 dunkers" & shite

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Simple, man to man 1 on 1. That's what I look at. And if you can't see by watching tape that Kobe was an absolute demon (yes, better than Lebron who is a terrific defender in his own right), then it's a waste of my time discussing this further with you. Kobe was doing chase down blocks while Lebron was barely in middle school.

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At some point, you have to be able to point to numbers to defend your case. These numbers have to be derived from statistical models that have been backtested to prove their internal consistency.

If Kobe is the better defender, there has to be some objective measure that proves it.

Additionally, the game isn't 1 on 1, it's 5 on 5.

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Lol somebody is arguing in this thread that Kobe is a better defender than LBJ?

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eye test + awards

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which qualifies me to have a legit opinion on this argument since I've been a hoops junkie my entire life

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Can't back up your eye test with objective facts so you lash out. Poor baby.

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No, I do realize that, & it's because you've replied to my posts with inaccurate facts.

It was irritating having the "talk in circles" because you lack in reading comprehension.

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I think he's more referring to the fact that you are making contradicting arguments every so often.

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There's nothing much else to add. Both are great defenders, I personally see Kobe as a better defender, you will disagree and I'll say LEBRON IS UNQUESTIONABLY THE 2ND BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME HERP DERP BECAUSE COACHES LIE ABOUT KOBE'S 9 FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE 1ST TEAM SELECTIONS, TAPE LIES BECAUSE WE KNOW MORE THAN NBA COACHES !! THERES NO REASON TO DEBATE LEBRON BEING #2 REEEEE!

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There is no reason to debate you because anything pro lebron is spun as bias, while you have your head so far up Kobe's arse you can tell us all what he had for dinner last night. It's comical.

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TIME HERP DERP BECAUSE COACHES LIE ABOUT KOBE'S 9 FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE 1ST TEAM SELECTIONS

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Here is an example of the flaw in this.

Kobe was first team all defense in 2005-2006, but here are the on-off statistics:

Kobe on-off 2005-2006

Opponents had an EFG% of 49.0% when he was on the court, and 46.8% when he was off. They also scored 106.8 points per 100 possessions when he was on the court, and 100.4 when he was off. So they shot worse and scored 6.4 more points when he was on the court.

Conversely, LeBron didn't make either all defensive team last year, but here are his on-off statistics.

Lebron 2015-2016 On-off statistics

Opponents EFG% was 49.2% when on the court compared to 50.6% when off. They scored 103.8 points per 100 possessions when on and 106.4 when off. So they shot worse and scored fewer points when on the court.

So despite scoring fewer points, having essentially the same EFG, and playing considerably better when on the court compared to off, LeBron didn't even make 2nd team while Kobe made first team.

Thanks for the highlights. You're right, it doesn't "prove anything". But it was clear to me a few posters never watched Kobe play D during his "#8" years 1996-2004.

Figured you would appreciate watching HOF defensive play
I've much enjoyed watching Lebron play D live over the years, you're right, I don't need highlights. I wanted them because I enjoy them. He is a fantastic defender

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I remember reading this article when it came out. Fascinating stuff.

That's around the time i remember telling my buddy that one of Lebron's weaknesses is that he goes all out for the entire game on both ends, and is completely gassed on the final few minutes of a close game.

That he needed to learn how to better distribute his energy throughout 48 minutes, instead of going all out for 44 & having nothing left for the final 4 minutes.

I noticed that he has figured that out the last few years. That's one of the reasons you don't see that same relentless all out D from him every possession like he used to. It's not practical. And he's better for it now, & still a great defender, just smarter on when to turn it on.