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re: The incompetence of the Saints front office is mind-boggling
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:20 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:20 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
You go right ahaid on with your bad self, Sid.
I'm just tellin it like it is.
I'm just tellin it like it is.
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Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:33 pm to Bench McElroy
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How the hell can a team have a QB as good as Drew Brees and be so mediocre? It's borderline criminal how poorly the Saints have built around him.
when he first got to New ORLEANS, they hit the jackpot in the draft.
Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, Colston, Harper- (if you want to really stretch it), but since then haven't really had the kind of drafts they needed to have??
also traded for Vilma and Shockey and that helped push them over the top to a Super Bowl in '09. Jabari Greer and Sharper both contributed big time too but since then they haven't found the impact players for real.
I guess you could say Sproles was a big hit in 2011 but after that not as much.
they finally drafted a WR that looks like a constant threat (Mike Thomas) but don't have a TE worth a shite anymore. No more Shockey.. no more Jimmy Graham.. just pussy boy Coby Fleener. I still can't believe they spent up to get this guy last year.
Cooks can be explosive but he'll also disappear for a few games too. Ingram has gotten better but he could be replaced truth be told IMO.
Defense? Lol.
mediocre talent and mediocre coaching hoping the offense can do enough is usually how they roll. The last time they had a good D was in 2013 and the year before that they were truly awful.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:55 pm to oleyeller
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Drew Brees is one of the greatest playoff players ever . 66% completion with 24 td - 6int and passer rating o
anyone can win 1 ring. trent dilfer has 1
What the hell does that have to do with what he posted?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 7:12 am to dawgdayafternoon
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If the Saints are serious about winning, they should consider cutting ties with Brees in order to upgrade across the board.
After three straight seasons below .500, Brees is still producing stats but they aren't winning enough because they can't afford good enough players everywhere else.
Dumbest, most ill informed post of the day, folks
Posted on 1/16/17 at 7:21 am to Colonel Flagg
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The Saints have not sucked because of Brees's money. They have sucked because they can't draft worth a shite on defense and they constantly miss in free agency.
This.
The idea that it's a good idea to get rid of a top 5 qb for pennies on the dollar and trust the front office to then rebuild without him is laugable.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 7:59 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:34 am to DollaChoppa
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Saints play in a harder division with future HoF QBs in Cam, Matt, and Jameis
Name another div
This can't be real. The NFC South is historically a laughingstock
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:02 am to SirWinston
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Payton and loomis both suck arse - problem is saints fans have easily the lowest collective IQ in the league and are like "5000 passing yards... gumbo po boy Brees yew haw" and are happy with 7-9
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:27 am to tigerpimpbot
This thread might be the dumbest I've ever been in. Ever. And that is saying something on this board.
The Saints being shite has nothing to do with Brees and everything to do with 4-5 drafts that were absolutely awful, terrible Defense, and leading the league in Dead Money for like 4 straight years. They had something like 40 million in dead money two years straight.
That amount of dead money and missing on drafts leads to a serious, serious lack of depth and higher end talent. Outside of Brees, it is a pretty shitty roster.
They will have 30-40 million in cap space so they will finally be able to spend money this offseason to get some talent. Of course, its Loomis/Payton doing it so they will frick it up.
The Saints being shite has nothing to do with Brees and everything to do with 4-5 drafts that were absolutely awful, terrible Defense, and leading the league in Dead Money for like 4 straight years. They had something like 40 million in dead money two years straight.
That amount of dead money and missing on drafts leads to a serious, serious lack of depth and higher end talent. Outside of Brees, it is a pretty shitty roster.
They will have 30-40 million in cap space so they will finally be able to spend money this offseason to get some talent. Of course, its Loomis/Payton doing it so they will frick it up.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:28 am to dawgdayafternoon
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What about the seasons leading up to this one? Dating back to at least 2011, wasn't Brees the highest paid QB in the league (or top 3 anyway) until his new contract? Again, I wasn't saying that he is overpaid based on production, but the last several years is proof that even one of the best to ever play the game doesn't make you a consistent winner if you can't surround him with other great players.
Brees' contract has never stopped the Saints from signing or resigning players in free agency. It's the players they choose to sign have completely flopped on the field. All rooted from the problem of drafting terribly the last 5 years.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:39 am to dawgdayafternoon
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If the Saints are serious about winning, they should consider cutting ties with Brees in order to upgrade across the board.
After three straight seasons below .500, Brees is still producing stats but they aren't winning enough because they can't afford good enough players everywhere else.
This is a DAF take. Finding QBs is so easy in the NFL, right?
The ones participating in the Conference Championship Games are Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Big Ben, and Matt Ryan. You don't waltz in with amazing rosters and shite at QB. Look at the Texans. Got lucky and drew a Derek Carr-less Raiders squad before getting whopped by Brady and co.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:59 am to Bench McElroy
These are the Saints. Remember Archie Manning?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:03 am to StraightCashHomey21
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This can't be real. The NFC South is historically a laughingstock
The NFC South is the only division since the 2002 realignment to have each of its teams make a conference championship game appearance: Tampa Bay (2002), Atlanta (2004, 2012, and 2016), Carolina (2003, 2005 and 2015), and New Orleans (2006 and 2009). All four members of the NFC South have made postseason appearances before entering the division in 2002. Also since 2002, each team has won at least three division titles, the only such division in the league.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:03 am to Bench McElroy
does this diminish Drew's legacy somewhat?
I love they guy and he is an all timer, but he has a lot of losing seasons that the other all time greats do not have.
Shitty front office or not, he has them.
Does that somewhat diminish what he has done.
A lot of people will point to his record when it is all said and done and point out his w-l record. Its just the way it is.
I love they guy and he is an all timer, but he has a lot of losing seasons that the other all time greats do not have.
Shitty front office or not, he has them.
Does that somewhat diminish what he has done.
A lot of people will point to his record when it is all said and done and point out his w-l record. Its just the way it is.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:06 am to StraightCashHomey21
I called Jameis WInston a future HOF QB.
what do you think?
what do you think?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:08 am to Bench McElroy
The Saints have wasted so many years with that man it should be a felony.
In any other competent organization he would be holding 3-4 Lombardis.
In any other competent organization he would be holding 3-4 Lombardis.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:12 am to CBandits82
quote:it will in the eyes of some people but it in no way should. He has had to deal with literally some of the worst defenses in the history of football
does this diminish Drew's legacy somewhat?
I love they guy and he is an all timer, but he has a lot of losing seasons that the other all time greats do not have.
Shitty front office or not, he has them.
Does that somewhat diminish what he has done.
A lot of people will point to his record when it is all said and done and point out his w-l record. Its just the way it is.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:34 am to rt3
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Roman fricking Harper
Malcolm Jenkins is the one who got shredded in San Fran.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:42 am to Undertow
I posted that yesterday.
So, what is the plan for NO going forward? Brees probably doesn't have too many years left but he will be a Saint until his contract is up or until he'll retire a Saint, which I believe is his plan. Then what's next?
Fans have clearly been unhappy with the organization's leaders for quite some time because of the aforementioned draft picks and roster management issues. Do fans want Payton and Loomis gone or are they willing to give them one last chance in 2017?
Sorry for all of the questions and my misinformed post. I'm genuinely curious about the subject.
So, what is the plan for NO going forward? Brees probably doesn't have too many years left but he will be a Saint until his contract is up or until he'll retire a Saint, which I believe is his plan. Then what's next?
Fans have clearly been unhappy with the organization's leaders for quite some time because of the aforementioned draft picks and roster management issues. Do fans want Payton and Loomis gone or are they willing to give them one last chance in 2017?
Sorry for all of the questions and my misinformed post. I'm genuinely curious about the subject.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:46 am to dawgdayafternoon
They will have upwards of 40 million in cap space and relatively high draft picks.
They will almost certainly go all in this year and attempt to be big players in FA on the defensive side of the ball and OL. I can see them moving around in the draft too.
Drew has 1 year left on his current deal and Payton/Loomis are finally starting to feel the pressure from fans and the media. This is it. They have to make the playoffs this year or I think its all over. Brees walks and tries to win a SB in the least year or two of his career, and Payton is gone. Loomis fails up into the Benson empire and another GM takes over.
So they will go all out for a 1-2 year run.
They will almost certainly go all in this year and attempt to be big players in FA on the defensive side of the ball and OL. I can see them moving around in the draft too.
Drew has 1 year left on his current deal and Payton/Loomis are finally starting to feel the pressure from fans and the media. This is it. They have to make the playoffs this year or I think its all over. Brees walks and tries to win a SB in the least year or two of his career, and Payton is gone. Loomis fails up into the Benson empire and another GM takes over.
So they will go all out for a 1-2 year run.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:07 pm to Fun Bunch
Poor drafting (2012-2014) with aging vets and poor free agency decisions dug this current grave.
While their solid core pieces aged or left for free agency, they couldn't replace it with even talent fast enough.
Goodwin left, it became dlp, Goodwin again, and then Unger.
Evans aged and nobody stepped up
Nicks left and Grubbs was a clear downgrade
Vilma/fujita were the core 2 lbs and they ended up replacing those two with clear downgrades lofton/Hawthorne and even now Robertson/Ellerbe/Anthony aren't even close.
Greer/porter were replaced by lewis/Breaux, Breaux/Williams and injury has derailed a lot of that.
Thats the roughest part, the fact they couldn't replace quality talent appropriately. That 2012 free agency dug a huge hole because they gambled on 4 guys with massive 5 year contracts
ETA I said 2012 draft class, its 2012 free agency
While their solid core pieces aged or left for free agency, they couldn't replace it with even talent fast enough.
Goodwin left, it became dlp, Goodwin again, and then Unger.
Evans aged and nobody stepped up
Nicks left and Grubbs was a clear downgrade
Vilma/fujita were the core 2 lbs and they ended up replacing those two with clear downgrades lofton/Hawthorne and even now Robertson/Ellerbe/Anthony aren't even close.
Greer/porter were replaced by lewis/Breaux, Breaux/Williams and injury has derailed a lot of that.
Thats the roughest part, the fact they couldn't replace quality talent appropriately. That 2012 free agency dug a huge hole because they gambled on 4 guys with massive 5 year contracts
ETA I said 2012 draft class, its 2012 free agency
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 12:48 pm
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