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re: Does suicide= hell?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:01 am to SuperSaint
Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:01 am to SuperSaint
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:04 am to wal marks
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Does suicide= hell?
Which religion do you follow?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:16 am to GeauxPhillies26
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Watch 'Zeitgeist' on Netflix. God is not real.
All you've done is debunk what you believe to be one mythology, by accepting another. If one major aspect of that movie can be disproven? Will you allow yourself to question the claims in the rest?
Horus:
Was not born on Dec. 25th. In fact, no 'god' from any religion has been documented as having used that date. And the fact that the birth of Jesus is tied to that date is a construct of the Catholic Church. Not anything based on the Bible. Just as they adopted the trinity, sprinkling for baptism, and church leaders to be unmarried
Was not born to a virgin mother. In fact, his mother (Isis) used a spell to bring back her dead husband (Osiris), in order to conceive Horus
There is no historical reference (and no, Wiki is not an historical reference) that ever associated Horus with "star in the east" or "three kings" or "new-born savior" or he was a "teacher when he was 12 years old", that he was "baptized at age 30" or referred to as "The Truth", "The Light", Lamb of God", "the Good Shepherd". All made up
Horus was never betrayed, crucified, nor arose in 3 days. In fact, Horus has never died. He merged with the sun god (Ra)
And it shouldn't be earth-shattering that the Christians and Egyptians share a few beliefs. Both religions were affected by Jewish teachings. Christians directly, and Egyptians indirectly, because they had to appease the growing slave population, during the building of the pyramids. The appeasement eventually became such a matter of social unrest that it allowed for the Jews to be freed from their bondage (as detailed in Biblical and Egyptian history)
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Kahun’s inhabitants eventually deserted the town, abandoning their tools and other possessions in the shops and houses …The quantity, range, and type of articles of everyday use which were left behind in the houses may suggest that the departure was sudden and unpremeditated
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"After the Hyksos were expelled from Egypt, Manetho reports that they wandered the desert before establishing the city of Jerusalem
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The Egyptian Queen Hatshepsut recorded the banishment of a group of Asiatics from Avaris, the former Hyksos capital
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:51 am to wal marks
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Lost my best friend to this at 15. Just found out that my neighbors son just lost a friend this way. In my mind i would certainly hope that God wouldn't damn an already tortured soul to Hell.
That depends, if the person was truly saved, born again, redeemed, nothing he could do would separate him from the love that is in Christ Jesus. Some people have mental problems that drive them to do things they wouldn't do with a sound mind. God knows a persons heart and mind and is able to decipher his actions and motivations.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 6:38 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 5:00 am to wal marks
To think most people believe they are going to the "pearly gates" where "the streets are paved in gold" is the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
I believe, unfortunately, that we just turn off.
I do understand the reasoning for having faith while here living on earth. It gives piece of mind or comfort that their soul will be reunited with their loved ones and sit at the right side of God or some bs.
Hell does not exist. It can exist on earth if you create it for yourself. Faith helps you through those times.
I don't fear god, I don't fear going to hell. No such thing.
Streets of gold?? Really..... yeah and my dad and maw maw will be waiting on me.
I believe, unfortunately, that we just turn off.
I do understand the reasoning for having faith while here living on earth. It gives piece of mind or comfort that their soul will be reunited with their loved ones and sit at the right side of God or some bs.
Hell does not exist. It can exist on earth if you create it for yourself. Faith helps you through those times.
I don't fear god, I don't fear going to hell. No such thing.
Streets of gold?? Really..... yeah and my dad and maw maw will be waiting on me.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 5:07 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:01 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Hell doesn't exist.
Of course it does. We're living in it.
In any event, suicides do not "go" to some place of eternal, infernal retribution after death. They suffered enough in life.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:07 am to wal marks
I don't think so.
At some level, brain chemistry probably changes in some way to make someone able to commit suicide.
If a schizophrenic walks in from of a train, I don't think a loving God would condemn that soul to hell.
God is love.
At some level, brain chemistry probably changes in some way to make someone able to commit suicide.
If a schizophrenic walks in from of a train, I don't think a loving God would condemn that soul to hell.
God is love.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:19 am to wal marks
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Does suicide= hell?
Unfortunately you'll have to put up with the ignorant fricktards on this site for posting a serious topic.
Most religions have thoughts on this and most religions have revised their thinking on this in recent years. that only answer is we do not know. Whether or not a soul goes to heaven or hell is dependent upon that souls relationship with God, not man.
It's my personal thinking that the person who commits suicide was already in hell, and therefore took the only actions they could to escape.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:20 am to wal marks
It's a sin but doesn't mean you're going to hell:
https://www.gotquestions.org/suicide-Bible-Christian.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/suicide-Bible-Christian.html
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:20 am to RobbBobb
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All you've done is debunk what you believe to be one mythology, by accepting another. If one major aspect of that movie can be disproven? Will you allow yourself to question the claims in the rest?
Horus:
Was not born on Dec. 25th. In fact, no 'god' from any religion has been documented as having used that date. And the fact that the birth of Jesus is tied to that date is a construct of the Catholic Church. Not anything based on the Bible. Just as they adopted the trinity, sprinkling for baptism, and church leaders to be unmarried
Was not born to a virgin mother. In fact, his mother (Isis) used a spell to bring back her dead husband (Osiris), in order to conceive Horus
There is no historical reference (and no, Wiki is not an historical reference) that ever associated Horus with "star in the east" or "three kings" or "new-born savior" or he was a "teacher when he was 12 years old", that he was "baptized at age 30" or referred to as "The Truth", "The Light", Lamb of God", "the Good Shepherd". All made up
Horus was never betrayed, crucified, nor arose in 3 days. In fact, Horus has never died. He merged with the sun god (Ra)
And it shouldn't be earth-shattering that the Christians and Egyptians share a few beliefs. Both religions were affected by Jewish teachings. Christians directly, and Egyptians indirectly, because they had to appease the growing slave population, during the building of the pyramids. The appeasement eventually became such a matter of social unrest that it allowed for the Jews to be freed from their bondage (as detailed in Biblical and Egyptian history)
Thank you. This Horus/Mithras comparison has been thoroughly debunked but the atheist intellectual Bill Maher still spouts off and so do his intellectual lightweight parrots.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:25 am to makersmark1
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I don't think so.
At some level, brain chemistry probably changes in some way to make someone able to commit suicide.
If a schizophrenic walks in from of a train, I don't think a loving God would condemn that soul to hell.
God is love.
I can speak of the Catholic view. Only grave sins done with full consent and knowledge are considered mortal and will send one to hell. The Church has come to understand that most people who commit suicide usually aren't in full control of their mental faculties and aren't culpable for their actions. In the end, we trust God is compassionate and just.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:26 am to wal marks
Await your arrival with simple survival and someday we'll all understand.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:01 am to RobbBobb
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and Egyptians indirectly, because they had to appease the growing slave population, during the building of the pyramids. The appeasement eventually became such a matter of social unrest that it allowed for the Jews to be freed from their bondage (as detailed in Biblical and Egyptian history)
Please provide the details of this happening in Egyptian history
Or evidence that the Jews were mass enslaved under Egyptian rule
Or archaeological evidence of the mass exodus of millions of people
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 7:04 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:03 am to wal marks
Are there vibrations more dense, less easy to love than this?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:06 am to wal marks
I think this is pretty well settled.
Funerals for suicides are always awkward; everyone knows if you commit suicide you are condemned to eternal hell.
Funerals for suicides are always awkward; everyone knows if you commit suicide you are condemned to eternal hell.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:07 am to wal marks
If you ask for forgiveness as you hang or fall or right as you trigger, you should be good for heaven after a long layover in purgatory.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:13 am to EA6B
quote:All it is is a false sense of security. If it makes the parents feel better about their shitty situation, then go for it. I don't know what they're going through and I hope I never will. I still think it's horseshite and I don't understand how they justify the idea of an all knowing and all loving God with what their child is going through. God gave their child a terminal disease and we're supposed to believe that "God works in mysterious ways."
Visiting a children's hospital will also put you in the company of a significant number of parents whose only coping mechanism for dealing with the pain and suffering of their child is their faith in God, and many highly trained physicians that believe god has lead them to their work in that hospital. Would it be better for them to abandon that faith?
"God is good" does not jive with the world we live in.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 7:16 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:14 am to wal marks
The following is the official teaching of the Catholic Church on suicide... Not knowing the circumstances but the bold part at the end may address your concerns.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Suicide
2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.
2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Suicide
2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.
2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:22 am to wal marks
Suicide gets you out of hell. Sucks for those that can't find another way out.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:30 am to wal marks
Hell is nothing more than a creation by "certain religions" to get you to believe in Heaven. Aka without Hell there can't be Heaven. "Hell" is fundamental to their entire dogma.
Ps. It, nor purgatory, exist.
Ps. It, nor purgatory, exist.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 7:33 am
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