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re: Does suicide= hell?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:45 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:45 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Don't act the way we want and you will be sentenced to eternal damnation.
It is sad that this is what a lot of people think Christianity is about. I blame Christians. But that doesn't absolve you from ignorance. Go study.
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:47 am to gingerkittie
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I believe the only hell a person who commits suicide is the hell on earth that experienced that led them to commit suicide. I do not see it as a sin or something they will be punished for
Wow...
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:48 am to wal marks
In Beetlejuice, suicide = clerical work in the afterlife. That was your punishment.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:48 am to Crow Pie
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Hell is nothing more than a creation by "certain religions" to get you to believe in Heaven.
Ps. It, nor purgatory, exist.
Proof? You make a positive claim, you need to be able to back it up. Unless you just want to claim that it's just your personal belief, which is quite different than your claim.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:50 am to Ross
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Nobody can answer this question.
This is correct.
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We will all find out these answers eventually.
This is only true of there is some sort of afterlife, right? If I, as an atheist (downvote for simply using the word on here), am correct and there is nothing after death, then we won't know the answers to anything. It would simply be the final scene in The Sopranos except you wouldn't be around anymore to wonder what just happened.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:50 am to wal marks
quote:no
Does suicide= hell?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:51 am to wal marks
Of all the different versions put forward, one of the more interesting is the Anne Rice view of hell in Memnoch the Devil.
There, hell is where you are made to witness, with open eyes, the pain and suffering you caused other people. When you are able come to terms with what you've done and to forgive yourself and to forgive God for creating a world where all the horrible things are possible, you go to heaven.
Not sure how that would affect those that committed suicide in individual cases but I always thought that was in interesting version.
There, hell is where you are made to witness, with open eyes, the pain and suffering you caused other people. When you are able come to terms with what you've done and to forgive yourself and to forgive God for creating a world where all the horrible things are possible, you go to heaven.
Not sure how that would affect those that committed suicide in individual cases but I always thought that was in interesting version.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:54 am to wal marks
No
God like humans has evolved
God like humans has evolved
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:54 am to wal marks
Guess it depends on what you " believe" look no further than suicide bombers. The problem is most religions bend the rules to fit their narrative as someone raised Catholic its hard to rationalize the Inquistion. Most people need to believe there has to be something more than this life when in reality there is no viable proof than this is all there is. It is sad when someone reaches the point that checking out is their best option but if they do it is even worse if a " religion" condemns them.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:56 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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I still think it's horse shite and I don't understand how they justify the idea of an all knowing and all loving God with what their child is going through. God gave their child a terminal disease and we're supposed to believe that "God works in mysterious ways."
You're an idiot. God does not control every single aspect of people's lives. It's called free will. You think this world is supposed to be rid of disease,murder,rape, etc?? Everyone is supposed to live this wonderful happy go lucky life and only die when they are 100 because of natural causes?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:07 am to AUveritas
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Proof? You make a positive claim, you need to be able to back it up. Unless you just want to claim that it's just your personal belief, which is quite different than your claim.
Quite correct. However, this is a problem for folks on both sides of this issue who refuse to play honestly with each other, isn't it? After rall, you just posted this...bolded parts are stated without there having been subsequent evidence to convince everyone of the veracity of the claims.
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I can speak of the Catholic view. Only grave sins done with full consent and knowledge are considered mortal and will send one to hell. The Church has come to understand that most people who commit suicide usually aren't in full control of their mental faculties and aren't culpable for their actions. In the end, we trust God is compassionate and just.
You make this statement, but you didn't qualify those statements are merely your opinion...they aren't facts. You believe there is some mystical distinction between one sin and another, hence the "grave" versus" venial" stuff. You believe there is a hell, therefore you argue for the various ways one can be sent to it. And of course, you believe there is a god.
Either you want to play fairly, or you want to play tennis without the net. Frankly, I'm with your first assertion that positive claims should have actual evidence to back them up. But I expect that to go both ways, otherwise all bets are off.
BTW...what about all of those poor families who anguished over the claim made by The Church that their family members were suffering in Hell as a result of taking their own life, long before the good folks of the church came to "understand that most people who commit suicide usually aren't in full control of their mental faculties and aren't culpable for their actions." Whoops? Weren't they in contact with god the whole time? Why did it require what I'm assuming is medical science to figure out that these folks were not in control of their mental faculties?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:09 am to McLemore
quote:I went to Catholic school from K to 12.
Go study.
No thanks. I've heard enough of that horseshite.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:17 am to Howyouluhdat
quote:Aw, that's not very Christian of you. Remember this when you confess your sins to the cleric who will then relay your message to the big man upstairs and assign you a BS punishment to make everything good again.
You're an idiot.
quote:What's called free will? Child cancer? Innocent people getting slaughtered in the name of God? Deformities? Retardation?
It's called free will.
quote:What a stupid question. If you could create a world for people you truly loved with every ounce of your being, wouldn't you create a world without those things?
You think this world is supposed to be rid of disease,murder,rape, etc??
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 8:21 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:20 am to TigersSEC2010
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If you're in Baton Rouge, I bet I know who you're talking sbout
If he's in Baton Rouge he already knows hell
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:20 am to AUveritas
quote:Coming from someone who believes in God, this is hysterical.
Proof? You make a positive claim, you need to be able to back it up.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:22 am to McLemore
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But that doesn't absolve you from ignorance. Go study.
I always find it fascinating that people are, for the most part, religious by region.
I always wonder if people who are Christian would still believe in Christianity if they were born in the Middle East, or would they believe in Islam?
If they were born in Israel would they be Jewish?
If they were born in India would they be Hindu?
If they were born in China would they be Buddhist?
People seem to believe what they grew up with and take it as fact, and even kill others over it. But would their views change if they were simply indoctrinated with a different theory as a child?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:27 am to Box Geauxrilla
quote:Generally speaking, you believe what you're brought up with. There are tens, if not hundreds, of religions in the world but people are adamant that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Even going so far as to look down on the religions that are a little "out there."
I always wonder if people who are Christian would still believe in Christianity if they were born in the Middle East, or would they believe in Islam?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:29 am to Rebel
quote:No, it's not a mystery, and no, Matthew nor Jesus told us not to judge. That is a widely held misunderstanding of what Jesus said based on idiotic reading comprehension.
It's all a mystery. Matthew tells us not to judge
To answer the OP, suicide does not equal hell. The only people who go to hell or people who have not accepted or acknowledged Jesus Christ as savior.
God demands perfection. God through great sacrifice offered a way of perfection. For all the brilliant people on this thread who don't believe, have you ever asked God to speak to you about the truth of Jesus Christ? God will absolutely speak to you if you ask him. You have nothing to lose.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:34 am to GeauxTigerTM
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You make this statement, but you didn't qualify those statements are merely your opinion...they aren't facts. You believe there is some mystical distinction between one sin and another, hence the "grave" versus" venial" stuff. You believe there is a hell, therefore you argue for the various ways one can be sent to it. And of course, you believe there is a god.
It is a fact that this is what the Catholic Church teaches. I made no claim as to its truthfulness. Big difference.
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Either you want to play fairly, or you want to play tennis without the net. Frankly, I'm with your first assertion that positive claims should have actual evidence to back them up. But I expect that to go both ways, otherwise all bets are off.
I hold myself to the same standard. If you like, I could quote the Catechism.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:36 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Coming from someone who believes in God, this is hysterical.
Please show me where I claimed God was real. That's the difference. I don't state my belief as incontrovertible fact.
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