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re: Hayes hearing in progress thread
Posted on 6/3/16 at 3:26 pm to Sho Nuff
Posted on 6/3/16 at 3:26 pm to Sho Nuff
quote:It is buried somewhere in the original thread. It is a video slightly away from the scene of the second accident. After a few seconds, you see some people running and the shirtless person is then in the video as well. It goes with the witness accounts of a shirtless person being on scene "highly agitated." I would link it for you but dont feel like going through the whole thread again. But you should be able to find it posted in there. The shirtles person does absolutely nothing incriminating in the video.
I haven't seen this, can you post link?
Just if you ask me to guess what happened, my years of being on this earth lead me to believe guys who take their shirts off arent usually the ones looking to break up a fight
ETA: I also dont think the shirtles person really matters too much in this whole thing. It sounds like Hayes brandished his gun first which just about wipes off any chance at self defense. He is likely toast now
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 3:32 pm
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 4:11 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
FYI, you generally can't get punched and then shoot someone and then argue self-defense.
Can you get punched, take out a weapon to stop the battery, and then shoot in self defense when the other party moves to get a gun?
I'm guessing that's what the defense is getting at...not that getting hit 4 times justifies the shooting.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 4:44 pm to moneyg
Just had a thought, was it ever said Smith was driving? Did anyone say or claim that?
I know most people are assuming that but I can't recall it ever being stated as fact.
I know most people are assuming that but I can't recall it ever being stated as fact.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 5:33 pm to bonethug0108
Unless his lawyer is Gomer Pile, Smith was driving
Posted on 6/3/16 at 6:28 pm to lsupride87
Why would Racquel have gotten out of the car?
Because she felt she had to diffuse Will? I can't think of a better reason.
I'm just imagining Will and Cardell as they approach each other. If Cardell starts the aggression isn't her first move to stay in the car with other woman and call the cops? If Will starts the aggression, that seems the most likely scenario for her exiting, in an attempt to calm him.
Someone mentioned in the Nola comments about battered woman syndrome and her trying to protect Will by taking a bullet for him.
Because she felt she had to diffuse Will? I can't think of a better reason.
I'm just imagining Will and Cardell as they approach each other. If Cardell starts the aggression isn't her first move to stay in the car with other woman and call the cops? If Will starts the aggression, that seems the most likely scenario for her exiting, in an attempt to calm him.
Someone mentioned in the Nola comments about battered woman syndrome and her trying to protect Will by taking a bullet for him.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 6:43 pm to jackassistan
quote:
Someone mentioned in the Nola comments about battered woman syndrome and her trying to protect Will by taking a bullet for him.
quote:
jackassistan
How appropriate.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 6:46 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I'm just asking again because you didn't answer the question...
Why did she exit the car?
Why did she exit the car?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:01 pm to jackassistan
Considering it seems like Cardell came out of his car with a gun, maybe she decided that she should try to keep the situation from escalating?
Crazy assumption there instead of battered womans syndrome where she wanted to get shot.
Crazy assumption there instead of battered womans syndrome where she wanted to get shot.
quote:
jackassistan
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:05 pm to bbrownso
That's not my best guess. I presented that as a second theory, if you read my post. I'm just guessing, I don't know why she did.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:15 pm to rt3
Cardell Hayes admitted to police that Will Smith didn’t have gun on him at time of shooting
Posted by Mike Florio on June 3, 2016, 9:34 PM EDT
NBC Sports
NBC Sports
Posted by Mike Florio on June 3, 2016, 9:34 PM EDT
NBC Sports
NBC Sports
quote:
It’s now clear that Cardell Hayes, the man who shot and killed former Saints defensive end Will Smith in April, believed from the outset that the shooting occurred in self-defense. It’s also becoming clear that Hayes may have a hard time proving it.
Via the Associated Press, Hayes was back in court on Friday, with plenty of evidence being introduced regarding the evening in question.
“It was self-defense,” Hayes told police in a recorded interview on the evening of the shooting. But it was the recording of the 911 call that could be more relevant to the ultimate outcome of the case.
In the 911 call, Hayes can be heard telling an off-duty police officer that Hayes had to shoot Smith because Smith was in the process of retrieving his gun from his vehicle. The off-duty police officer also testified that he heard Smith claiming that he was going to get his gun.
“Oh, you have a gun? I have one too, I can play that way!” Christopher McGaw testified as to what he heard Smith say. Smith reportedly had a blood-alcohol content 0f 0.24 percent at the time of his death, three times the legal limit.
While a skilled lawyer may still be able to sell a jury on the notion that Hayes was indeed acting in self-defense, the fact that Smith didn’t have his gun and hadn’t even emerged from the vehicle with the weapon will make it harder.
The presiding judge declined to reduce Hayes’ $1.75 million bond and set a trial date for September 20.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:29 am to NoSaint
quote:
when the driver blows a .24
Will Smith didn't blow anything. BAL test was after he was dead.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:30 am to rt3
quote:
Judge would not lower Hayes' $1.75M bond... and trial date is set for 9/20 and is expected to last about 2 weeks
Judge Buras doesn't take any BS.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:32 am to Red Stick Tigress
quote:
Will Smith didn't blow anything. BAL test was after he was dead.
are we talking semantics here or are you disputing that he might not have had a bunch of drinks?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:15 am to Deactived
I have no doubt Will Smith had a bunch of drinks considering he was at FQF and several restaurants/bars.
I'm saying he literally didn't blow. He wasn't BAL tested prior to his death. The only way I know of to determine BAL level after death is by testing urine in the bladder.
I question the accuracy of that method.
I'm saying he literally didn't blow. He wasn't BAL tested prior to his death. The only way I know of to determine BAL level after death is by testing urine in the bladder.
I question the accuracy of that method.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:34 am to Red Stick Tigress
Please post a link to this urine method of which you speak. Given that we are talking BLOOD alcohol concentration, I don't see how they would use URINE to derive that number. I am a doctor but not a toxicologist, so please enlighten me.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:51 am to Mrwhodat
I'll save all of you a lengthy thread now and in September.
**Spoiler Alert**
Hayes will be convicted of murder. Shocker.
quote:
Cardell Hayes admitted to police that Will Smith didn’t have gun on him at time of shooting
**Spoiler Alert**
Hayes will be convicted of murder. Shocker.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:57 am to Red Stick Tigress
quote:
I'm saying he literally didn't blow. He wasn't BAL tested prior to his death. The only way I know of to determine BAL level after death is by testing urine in the bladder.
False positive up to 0.20. Not that it matters. He was murdered.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:23 am to moneyg
quote:
Can you get punched, take out a weapon to stop the battery, and then shoot in self defense when the other party moves to get a gun?
I'm guessing that's what the defense is getting at...not that getting hit 4 times justifies the shooting.
What people keep forgetting is that Hayes chased, and rear ended Smith before getting out of his car with a gun.
If someone did that to you, you woudl assume they were going to kill or seriously injure you.
Its going to be hard to sell self defense when the guy is unarmed and you engaged the situation, gun in hand.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:39 pm to jackassistan
quote:
I don't see how they would use URINE to derive that number. I am a doctor but not a toxicologist, so please enlighten me.
Do a search to see how BAL or BAC is obtained from a dead person.
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