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re: Cop shoots teen during Michigan traffic stop, lawsuit filed (possibly NSFW)
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:02 pm to Barf
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:02 pm to Barf
quote:
I just fail to understand why people automatically think that they could handle themselves when put under that kind of stress. I don't know what kind of training you have but if I got in your face and put you on your back, are you going to wait around to see if I am going to choke you out or beat you to death? No, you're going to reach for your gun.
Me? No, I have better training than that and have been in multiple stressful situations. Average citizen? Who knows. But cops aren't average citizens.
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 12:03 pm
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Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:02 pm to Gusoline
Why are so many of you people on here trying to make so many GD excuses? It doesn't matter even if the cop knew who the kid was before hand and was singling him out for banging his daughter. If you have a fricking problem with a cop, you take it up In court, or go to the fricking court house and talk to his superiors. You DONT argue, refuse to listen, resist, and then try to fricking complain afterwards. What would have happened if the kid would have just STFU and went along with it?? A warning? most likely. a HEFTY 100 dollar ticket worst case scenario? And yet you'd have the cop stripped of his badge and thrown in jail for defending himself from a piece of shite with no respect for the law or authority. frick anyone that defends that POS, and thank god he wasn't black so you dont get to call me a racist 
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:03 pm to Gator5220
quote:Seriously? He was against a half-tazed skinny teenager; if the most appropriate action when in an altercation is to shoot him, then maybe he incapable of being an officer.
Be more specific
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:03 pm to 13SaintTiger
So he used the non lethal option first. How many non lethal options should he use while being attacked before you are satisfied and give him permission to use his gun?
As a citizen if you was cc a pistol how many options would you try before you grab your gun while being attacked?
As a citizen if you was cc a pistol how many options would you try before you grab your gun while being attacked?
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:05 pm to KosmoCramer
I also think most agree that
1) the kid should not of been pulled over
but
2) the kid should of complied once pulled over.
1) the kid should not of been pulled over
but
2) the kid should of complied once pulled over.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:05 pm to Gator5220
quote:
So he used the non lethal option first. How many non lethal options should he use while being attacked before you are satisfied and give him permission to use his gun?
As many as required in a situation where death should be the last result. He shouldn't be a cop. He's a bitch who couldn't handle a teenager. Which brings me back to why he didn't just wait for backup.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:06 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:
But cops aren't average citizens.
Then what are they?
The vast majority of police go their entire careers only shooting their weapon for POST. How does that make them anything other than average?
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:06 pm to dualed
too bad that teen never learned...it's a BAD idea to bright someone, one could in turn blind the other car and BAM...accident.
I learned to use my free had to shield my eyes and at same time slightly look towards the curb while maintaining control of the vehicle.
that should be basic survival training in the drivers education classroom.
I learned to use my free had to shield my eyes and at same time slightly look towards the curb while maintaining control of the vehicle.
that should be basic survival training in the drivers education classroom.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:06 pm to Barf
quote:I bet many people would have trouble handling these situations--especially being untrained (myself included)--so we naturally chose a more appropriate career path.
ail to understand why people automatically think that they could handle themselves when put under that kind of stress
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:06 pm to Barf
quote:
The cop is a bitch, nothing more, nothing less. He had to use a gun on a teen with no weapon. Imagine you getting into a altercation with a teen with no weapon and you shot the teen 7 times. You'd be rotting in jail.
and for all you know his hands were on the gun too, or he tried to grab it multiple times before the officer shot him. You don't know what the frick you would've done because it didn't happen to you. my first combat experience I reacted beautifully. Dropped, instantly returned fire while calling the direction of fire and giving an ADRAC. it's because I was trained to do it. I saw plenty of guys with eh exact same training act like little bitches when they took contact. How easy it is for you to say you would've acted differently, Mr. average Joe.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:07 pm to Gator5220
quote:
As a citizen if you was cc a pistol how many options would you try before you grab your gun while being attacked?
Different situations dictate your strawman question. Death should have been avoided in this situation.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:10 pm to 13SaintTiger
The young mans father admitted that his son had been watching YouTube videos of people arguing with police at traffic stops earlier that day. He also tested posted for marijuana in his system. Additionally he didn't have his license on him.
It's obvious by the way the kid was talking that he was intentionally being a douche. "How do I even know you're and officer?" Hm, I don't know, maybe the flashing lights and him in uniform?? "I'm recording this for my safety and your safety" Come on kid. Just give the officer you registration and be compliant. Either the kid was being a dick in an attempt to get out of not having his license or he was trying to be a internet badass like in the videos he watched earlier that day. The parents say the cop should have waited for back up before removing their son. Maybe you should raise a child with respect so that a cop doesn't have to call for assistance at a traffic stop.
It's obvious by the way the kid was talking that he was intentionally being a douche. "How do I even know you're and officer?" Hm, I don't know, maybe the flashing lights and him in uniform?? "I'm recording this for my safety and your safety" Come on kid. Just give the officer you registration and be compliant. Either the kid was being a dick in an attempt to get out of not having his license or he was trying to be a internet badass like in the videos he watched earlier that day. The parents say the cop should have waited for back up before removing their son. Maybe you should raise a child with respect so that a cop doesn't have to call for assistance at a traffic stop.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:10 pm to Gusoline
quote:
and for all you know his hands were on the gun too, or he tried to grab it multiple times before the officer shot him. You don't know what the frick you would've done because it didn't happen to you. my first combat experience I reacted beautifully. Dropped, instantly returned fire while calling the direction of fire and giving an ADRAC. it's because I was trained to do it. I saw plenty of guys with eh exact same training act like little bitches when they took contact. How easy it is for you to say you would've acted differently, Mr. average Joe.
You seriously compared reacting to contact from bullets flying at you to this situation. Way to go, average Joe
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:13 pm to Barf
quote:
The vast majority of police go their entire careers only shooting their weapon for POST. How does that make them anything other than average?
A Kenner cop told me years ago that 85-95% of police will never ever fire their gun at a perp.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:14 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:
Different situations dictate your strawman question. Death should have been avoided in this situation
It's not a strawman you just chose not to answer the question.
What would you have done on once your taser failed to work and you was attacked?
As a reminder, photo of officer's injuries...
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:17 pm to Napoleon
quote:
I also think most agree that
1) the kid should not of been pulled over
but
2) the kid should of complied once pulled over.
If the cop had did number one option in the first place a minor wouldn't have been killed.
One was a kid the other supposedly a professional. Which one we expect more of?
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:18 pm to Gator5220
quote:
What would you have done on once your taser failed to work and you was attacked?
i already answered your question indirectly on the last page
And I don't need a reminder of the cop's picture. He shouldn't have been a cop and giving citations to people because they thought he had his brights on.
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:19 pm to 13SaintTiger
You said he should have waited for backup. He didn't so now you are being attacked after your taser failed.
What do you do?
What do you do?
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:20 pm to dualed
Stupid teen.
He got everything he asked for.
He got everything he asked for.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:22 pm to Gator5220
quote:
You said he should have waited for backup. He didn't so now you are being attacked after your taser failed. What do you do?
That's not everything I said. I'm obviously not untrained in combatives like the cop so my opinion in the situation is invalid.
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 12:23 pm
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