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Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:11 am to madmaxvol
What is to keep people from designing software that runs a certain way till sticker is needed then upload the new software for the test.
You can even get delete emission kits for the TDI. I recently had my particulate filer cleaned at 186k miles (2012 model) when I couldn't get a new filter. It was sent to CT and shipping back still saved $650. Cleaned filter is warrantied for 1 year and my car computer was reading 0% when it was reinstalled.
You can even get delete emission kits for the TDI. I recently had my particulate filer cleaned at 186k miles (2012 model) when I couldn't get a new filter. It was sent to CT and shipping back still saved $650. Cleaned filter is warrantied for 1 year and my car computer was reading 0% when it was reinstalled.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:12 am to BenDover
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to those of us who own a vehicle falling under that recall, what's our best course of action as of now?
Wait and see and don't go to the dealership...
Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:14 am to PuntBamaPunt
VW will probably get out of the diesel market for a while. I honestly doubt they circumvented the test.
If you own one, do not go to the dealership for now.
If you own one, do not go to the dealership for now.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:19 am to wickowick
I've been putting off inspection of my tdi 
. If this drops my car below advertised mpg rating I will be in line for money. I basically bought something, then they came a few years later and flipped a switch that makes it no longer what I paid for. Plus my resale value is almost certainly going to take a hit in the short term, just from the bad press.
I get wayyy above advertised mileage right now, so I have faith it'll still stay above the 31/42 mpg rating, but if its big enough to drop below, I'm not going to just take it.
. If this drops my car below advertised mpg rating I will be in line for money. I basically bought something, then they came a few years later and flipped a switch that makes it no longer what I paid for. Plus my resale value is almost certainly going to take a hit in the short term, just from the bad press. I get wayyy above advertised mileage right now, so I have faith it'll still stay above the 31/42 mpg rating, but if its big enough to drop below, I'm not going to just take it.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:23 am to wickowick
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Wait and see and don't go to the dealership...
Had an oil change scheduled for Wednesday...that has been canceled and I'll end up paying more elsewhere but on the surface it appears that I'll be joining the class action suit
Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:25 am to madmaxvol
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I think the article said that VW failed NOx emissions
Ah
Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:29 am to KG6
The more I read about this, the more I think VW is about to get royally fricked by the Feds.
They fined GM and Toyota $900 million and $1.3 billion respectively for safety problems with their cars. Their reasoning with VW is already that their emissions problems pose a health and safety risk not only to the drivers but the entire general public.
The good news for VW drivers is that the company may come up with a solution to retrofit that won't kill fuel economy. If not, it looks like the cars were designed to ace the emissions test anyways....so you can avoid this by not going to the dealer if you want and likely won't get caught at least for a while.
The downside is that the resale for VW diesels may be hurt by this.
They fined GM and Toyota $900 million and $1.3 billion respectively for safety problems with their cars. Their reasoning with VW is already that their emissions problems pose a health and safety risk not only to the drivers but the entire general public.
The good news for VW drivers is that the company may come up with a solution to retrofit that won't kill fuel economy. If not, it looks like the cars were designed to ace the emissions test anyways....so you can avoid this by not going to the dealer if you want and likely won't get caught at least for a while.
The downside is that the resale for VW diesels may be hurt by this.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:04 am to member12
No doubt, VW is about to get fricked hard. There will probably be punitive damages attached to the class action lawsuit. I'd expect a payout in the thousands to us TDI owners.
ETA: I'm not concerned about resale, although I do expect them to make me whole regardless. I planned to keep this vehicle for 10 years+ when I got it, so needless to say, it's going to get a few hundred thousand put on it.
ETA: I'm not concerned about resale, although I do expect them to make me whole regardless. I planned to keep this vehicle for 10 years+ when I got it, so needless to say, it's going to get a few hundred thousand put on it.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:10 am to AUbagman
I planned to drive this one till the wheels fall off. Resale is not really a concern for me either. In 3 years and 194k miles I have had only one issue a hose to the turbo got a hole and needed to be replaced. Everything else has been PM. I am still on my original brake pads...
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:22 am to wickowick
I just worry about warranty issues not getting the scheduled maintenance done at the dealership.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:22 am to AUbagman
quote:The amount of fine for EACH vehicle sold is $37K.
No doubt, VW is about to get fricked hard.
The total potential fine is around $18 LARGE LARGE (Billion)!
"The EPA said that the fine for each vehicle that did not comply with federal clean air rules would be up to $37,500 (£24,000). With 482,000 cars sold since 2008 involved in the allegations, it means the fines could reach $18bn."*
*LINK
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:27 am to KG6
mpg will no doubt drop from the restricted flow, but after reading the article, VW's emissions work around was all in the programming. If you bring it in, they'll just change the tune to the restricted one.
The neat part about it is how VW got the computers to figure out when they needed to restrict emissions. I guess it isn't test-specific, but probably happens at idle. I haven't ever had an emissions test, so
My last truck went from around 12mpg at 80 with all emissions stuff, to 21mpg at 80 with it all off and a tune that added gobs of power. IIRC, without the tune, it was at somewhere around 17mpg with all emissions stuff deleted
The neat part about it is how VW got the computers to figure out when they needed to restrict emissions. I guess it isn't test-specific, but probably happens at idle. I haven't ever had an emissions test, so
My last truck went from around 12mpg at 80 with all emissions stuff, to 21mpg at 80 with it all off and a tune that added gobs of power. IIRC, without the tune, it was at somewhere around 17mpg with all emissions stuff deleted
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:28 am to KG6
You do not have to use the dealership. I checked warranty info when I decided to service my DSG transmission myself. You just have to show receipt for correct fluid/filter purchases. Faulty install aside, you're legally allowed to maintain the vehicle yourself. I did however take it to a shop to check my fluid level, as I don't have the software.
I will be getting the diagnostic software now, as I plan to do all the scheduled maintenance myself at this point.
I will be getting the diagnostic software now, as I plan to do all the scheduled maintenance myself at this point.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:34 am to soccerfüt
They won't get the maximum fine. Regardless, their drop in share prices reflected they would. With only 300k vehicles sold in the U.S. out of 5.5 million worldwide, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled out of the U.S. market.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:35 am to KG6
The biggest concern for TDI owners should be the stress this will put on the EGR. It already has clogging issues, and further restricting it will most definitely put more strain on it. That alone will cost most owners thousands if they keep the vehicle long enough.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:42 am to AUbagman
I'll be pissed if they are let off with a slap.
So will all other automobile manufacturers.
Ford European automotive diesels have been the shite for a while but the same EPA regs kept Ford from importing them to the US while Volkswagen was becoming a world leader.
So will all other automobile manufacturers.
Ford European automotive diesels have been the shite for a while but the same EPA regs kept Ford from importing them to the US while Volkswagen was becoming a world leader.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:19 am to PuntBamaPunt
Promise you, this is payback for the plant in Tennessee voting not going Union.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:53 am to WildcatMike
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Promise you, this is payback for the plant in Tennessee voting not going Union.
It's a shame, because the Works Council approach is far less dysfunctional than typical US Collective Bargaining with unions.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 12:01 pm to madmaxvol
Here's my concern, coming from a diesel engineer.
Odds are this was done for reliability reasons. Keeping NOx down without SCR requires tons of exhaust cooling and re circulation. It's very difficult to do and still get good life out of the engine. Odds are when your car is reprogrammed to run high EGR constantly, it's going to shite the bed pretty quickly. The government will probably force them to fix it, but you're going to have to deal with it.
I personally will sit on my TDI until I see how this plays out. I will not be bringing it in for service anywhere until I see what's going to happen here. You DO NOT want whatever software they throw out of the factory this week to fix this. They may come up with something that works. EPA will likely issue mandatory recall on affected vehicles making it "illegal" to operate affected vehicles until the new software is installed.
I'm not happy at all about this as my car is nearing end of warranty and resale is going to take a hit. Whatever they do to fix it will not be a good solution.
Odds are this was done for reliability reasons. Keeping NOx down without SCR requires tons of exhaust cooling and re circulation. It's very difficult to do and still get good life out of the engine. Odds are when your car is reprogrammed to run high EGR constantly, it's going to shite the bed pretty quickly. The government will probably force them to fix it, but you're going to have to deal with it.
I personally will sit on my TDI until I see how this plays out. I will not be bringing it in for service anywhere until I see what's going to happen here. You DO NOT want whatever software they throw out of the factory this week to fix this. They may come up with something that works. EPA will likely issue mandatory recall on affected vehicles making it "illegal" to operate affected vehicles until the new software is installed.
I'm not happy at all about this as my car is nearing end of warranty and resale is going to take a hit. Whatever they do to fix it will not be a good solution.
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